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What is the solution for the SEC coaching situation?
Posted on 11/27/16 at 6:44 pm
Posted on 11/27/16 at 6:44 pm
Is it to give coaches more time?
Is it for programs to realize their general ceiling is 10 wins and be happy averaging 8 wins a year but having high mark years of 10 years and knowing you might have a few 5 or 6 win seasons (Ole Miss, Arkansas?).
Is it for programs to start hiring coaches who have proven to be able to win and build multiple programs instead of hiring coaches the league is familiar with, assistants from big programs or guys who will be good "recruiters" but have not proven to be great coaches and talent developers?
I don't really know what the solution is, but the coaching in the league is clearly as bad as it has been, across the board, in quite a long time.
Is it for programs to realize their general ceiling is 10 wins and be happy averaging 8 wins a year but having high mark years of 10 years and knowing you might have a few 5 or 6 win seasons (Ole Miss, Arkansas?).
Is it for programs to start hiring coaches who have proven to be able to win and build multiple programs instead of hiring coaches the league is familiar with, assistants from big programs or guys who will be good "recruiters" but have not proven to be great coaches and talent developers?
I don't really know what the solution is, but the coaching in the league is clearly as bad as it has been, across the board, in quite a long time.
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Posted on 11/27/16 at 6:59 pm to Triple Daves
It is basically that Saban is the best coach in college football and the bar at this time is set too high for others to reach. Other coaches have had some success but none are consistent like Saban. It is foolish at this point to fire and hire your coach in hopes that he will build what Saban has at Alabama. Schools would be wise to maintain what they have at this point and when Saban retires it will all work itself out the way it was before he came to Alabama. Alabama and Saban was the perfect storm and will not be matched again for a long time after he is gone!
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Posted on 11/27/16 at 7:03 pm to Triple Daves
Fire everyone. The 2nd best coach hasn't been to the dentist since 1998, and the rest of the coaches suck major donkey dick
Posted on 11/27/16 at 7:20 pm to Triple Daves
The solution is not to give a 30 million guaranteed contract over 6 years in which a firing results in the remainder paid out within 60 days to a coach who has never won a conference title.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 7:37 pm to BamaScoop
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It is basically that Saban is the best coach in college football and the bar at this time is set too high for others to reach. Other coaches have had some success but none are consistent like Daban. It is foolish at this point to fire and hire your coach in hopes that he will build what Saban has at Alabama. Schools would be wise to maintain what they have at this point and when Saban retires it will all work itself out the way it was before he came to Alabama.
This is all spot on for the most part.
The problem with the SEC is wholly attributed to coaching, and it's in large part the byproduct of Saban's success. Several coaches have fallen prey to this, most notably Miles, Richt, Tuberville and Chizik. Meyer could be lumped into this group as well, though his exit was voluntary. Arkansas had Petrino, but his firing had nothing to do with on-field results.
Other programs suffered because they thought they could simply hire a branch of the Saban tree and replicate his results (e.g. Dooley and Muschamp), and McElwain and Kirby Smart may well fall victim to this in the long run.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 7:42 pm to Feral
I do think, as Saban's run has gotten longer and more insane, that schools and programs are starting to realize that just isn't an attainable goal. The combination of Saban and Alabama is likely never to happen again at that level of eliteness for that consistent a clip for that period of time (at least 10 years).
Hopefully that leads schools to not make "high ceiling" choices (aka guys who can recruit but who knows if they can coach), and start hiring proven good football coaches again.
I think Florida actually did that correctly with McElwain. Mac was a "Saban guy", but he also had proven he could build a program at Colorado State.
Hopefully that leads schools to not make "high ceiling" choices (aka guys who can recruit but who knows if they can coach), and start hiring proven good football coaches again.
I think Florida actually did that correctly with McElwain. Mac was a "Saban guy", but he also had proven he could build a program at Colorado State.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 8:01 pm to Triple Daves
I think we might be looking at the real landmine of the CFP that few people saw coming. For teams that can reasonably (i.e. not teams like Vandy or UK) aspire to be elite, the more teams that can be officially -- that is, stamped and validated by the Powers That Be -- be in contention for the national title, the more pressure there is on coaches to reach that select group. Before, when there were only two official possibilities, there was less pressure and expectation of being at the very top. (And even more so when there weren't even official contenders.) Fans and admins going to be more demanding if all you have to do is reach the top 4 rather than the top 2. And there would be even greater pressure if the CFP expands.
I'm not saying we should do away with the CFP because of this. That would be a ridiculous overreaction. But I think it's fair to acknowledge that there might be some corrosive effects on the coaching ranks in the long run.
Edit: I forgot to mention the next step. With four teams in the playoff, that opens up non-playoff spots. So fans/admins will go, "Okay, fine, you didn't make the CFP. It's hard. We get that. But why not make one of the highest non-CFP bowls. It should be easier now that the playoffs have thinned the competition at the top." And it just trickles down from there.
I'm not saying we should do away with the CFP because of this. That would be a ridiculous overreaction. But I think it's fair to acknowledge that there might be some corrosive effects on the coaching ranks in the long run.
Edit: I forgot to mention the next step. With four teams in the playoff, that opens up non-playoff spots. So fans/admins will go, "Okay, fine, you didn't make the CFP. It's hard. We get that. But why not make one of the highest non-CFP bowls. It should be easier now that the playoffs have thinned the competition at the top." And it just trickles down from there.
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Posted on 11/27/16 at 8:12 pm to Triple Daves
I don't know, but it won't help that we just shite the bed massively with our hire.
We'll be contributing to the shittiness of SEC coaching for the next 3 years.
We'll be contributing to the shittiness of SEC coaching for the next 3 years.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 8:20 pm to Feral
Meyer, as good as he was/is, couldn't take the pressure of the SEC and had to get out. Seems to be thriving at OState.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 8:21 pm to WonderWartHawg
Patience.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 8:23 pm to CBandits82
Saban is the man.
At some point though, these other coaches need to not kneel down and take it up the A$$.
At least have a recognizable game plan. At least run the damn clock. Shorten the game. Play with discipline. Don't line up off sides. Play mobile QBs.
At some point though, these other coaches need to not kneel down and take it up the A$$.
At least have a recognizable game plan. At least run the damn clock. Shorten the game. Play with discipline. Don't line up off sides. Play mobile QBs.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 8:32 pm to BamaScoop
Not many people think that way. What I do expect for an Auburn coach is to at least be playing for an SECC and possibly playoff birth every 4 years or so. Not to field the shite show we saw this year in his fourth year on the job. Do I think Gus needs to go? Right now, the answer is no. If he retains Lashlee, then he's proven that he is not willing to make the necessary changes to fix things. Gus has shown what he can do with the right signal caller, but he definitely needs an OC that can develop QBs. Lashlee ain't the guy. As bad as it was this year, the defense improved dramatically and will be even better next year. If we get Stidham at QB, this is a team ready to take the next step.
I remind myself that Gus is still pretty raw as a HC. He's taken steps in the right direction on defense. Now it's time for him to swallow his pride and take the necessary steps on the offensive side.
I remind myself that Gus is still pretty raw as a HC. He's taken steps in the right direction on defense. Now it's time for him to swallow his pride and take the necessary steps on the offensive side.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 8:37 pm to jvilletiger25
The hard thing for a lot of places is that Saban has destroyed the "every few years" goal for almost everybody, especially the last 5 seasons.
Alabama has won the West 4 of the last 5 years. Alabama will have won the SEC (with a win this weekend) 4 of the last 5 seasons.
There are a lot of schools that have a realistic expectation of "going to Atlanta" or "winning the SEC" 1-2 times a decade. Alabama has destroyed that for everyone except Auburn in 2013 over the last 5 years. At that point, every argument starts with "we finish between 2-4 in the SEC every year" and generally ends with averaging 8 wins a year.
It means that you better win almost every game but Alabama, or you are a "perennial 8-4/9-3 coach".
It makes it way, way, harder on a level outside of "you need to win like Saban does" level. Saban winning like that on a consistent basis bumps everyone elses potential down a notch.
Alabama has won the West 4 of the last 5 years. Alabama will have won the SEC (with a win this weekend) 4 of the last 5 seasons.
There are a lot of schools that have a realistic expectation of "going to Atlanta" or "winning the SEC" 1-2 times a decade. Alabama has destroyed that for everyone except Auburn in 2013 over the last 5 years. At that point, every argument starts with "we finish between 2-4 in the SEC every year" and generally ends with averaging 8 wins a year.
It means that you better win almost every game but Alabama, or you are a "perennial 8-4/9-3 coach".
It makes it way, way, harder on a level outside of "you need to win like Saban does" level. Saban winning like that on a consistent basis bumps everyone elses potential down a notch.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 8:44 pm to Triple Daves
Can't help what other teams are doing, but Auburn has won the SEC twice in the last 6 years. Yeah, it's tough. But it's doable.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 8:46 pm to jvilletiger25
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Can't help what other teams are doing, but Auburn has won the SEC twice in the last 6 years. Yeah, it's tough. But it's doable.
Yep - honestly, you could argue Auburn has had their greatest national prominence in 50 years (or at least since the Dye era) during the Saban era. They've also had some deep lows, but their highs have been higher than than they've had since 1957.
It's interesting that the team that has to deal with Saban and Alabama the most on a day to day basis is the one that has, you could even say "benefited", the most from him showing up at Alabama. At least raised their game to combat it.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 8:50 pm to Triple Daves
That's cause Auburn doesn't back down from Bama like other teams. Until someone else steps up, it's going to be one or the other winning the SEC. I'll give Saban one thing, he has mind fricked the rest of the league (with the exception of Hugh Freeze).
Posted on 11/27/16 at 8:53 pm to jvilletiger25
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That's cause Auburn doesn't back down from Bama like other teams.
Agree
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Until someone else steps up, it's going to be one or the other winning the SEC. I'll give Saban one thing, he has mind fricked the rest of the league (with the exception of Hugh Freeze).
I don't think he mind fricked Gus either. I think Gus had lots of success early on, but like most new things the league (and specifically smart defensive coaches) asked around, studied it and started to figure out how to adapt to his system. On top of that, the QB play has been rather shitty, and that makes things even worse. And since then Gus hasn't really adapted the offense at all. However, he did make a huge decision in turning over the defense to Muschamp last year and that totally changed the culture on that side of the ball.
The league's coaches just kind of suck. It's not a very good group, and hiring guys who are just good at recruiting only gets you so far (see Butch Jones, Hugh Freeze, Kevin Sumlin).
Posted on 11/27/16 at 9:04 pm to makersmark1
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At least have a recognizable game plan. At least run the damn clock. Shorten the game. Play with discipline. Don't line up off sides. Play mobile QBs.
I've said this all season. Take the air out of the ball. Practice discipline and clock management. Run a play with the play clock down to five seconds and take what the defense gives you. shite move the ball three yards at a time and go for it on fourth and short.
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Posted on 11/27/16 at 9:05 pm to Triple Daves
Well, I hope he makes the right moves. Gus and Saban are the only 2 coaches left in the SEC with rings. I don't want to see Auburn make the same mistake UGA and LSU has. They're going to dread letting Miles and Richt go.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 9:07 pm to jvilletiger25
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That's cause Auburn doesn't back down from Bama like other teams.
True. One of the best things about Auburn in my opinion. We ain't skeert! We call their shite out, too, but no one seems to listen or care because they are scared of Saban, the REC, etc. That ended with us when Dye came. He taught Auburn how the game was played. When they tried to drag us through the shite with Cam, we thumbed our noses and said "bring it!" The other schools in the conference are just happy to be invited to the he party. Georgia particularly. It'll be interesting to see how Kirby plays it without a machine like the REC behind him.
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