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Posted on 12/7/16 at 8:46 am to geauxcoco
Chad Kelly was helped by dumb turnovers. He went a stretch in the middle where Ole Miss got outscored 45-6.
I'll give you Watson, but his arm was way more lethal than a scheme like Oregon runs. He carried Clemson in that game, but that had to do with talent and ability more than a specific game plan.
I'll give you Watson, but his arm was way more lethal than a scheme like Oregon runs. He carried Clemson in that game, but that had to do with talent and ability more than a specific game plan.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 8:52 am to geauxcoco
Could turn out to be a good hire, but only IF LSU has a talented true DT QB for his offense and is committed to a balanced run & pass offense. At least you won't have to worry about Orgeron meddling in the offense like Miles did. Who's going to be playing QB for LSU next season?
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:46 am to geauxcoco
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Why? You think what we are doing now is working against you guys?? We have to spread your D out if we are going to score any points. If you look at all the teams that have beaten Bama in the last 5-6 years...it mostly took Dual Threat QB's and a spread passing attack to have any success. That is what O wants to do...
Even under Chip Kelly the Oregon offense had tons trouble against SEC (or any really physical) defenses and IMO they've gotten even worse since Chip left.
I understand LSU wants to get more diverse, but you don't want to do that at the expense of what has been an incredibly successful formula - and that's what will happen with Helfrich. While it will sound homerish, you need to look at what Bama's done with blending spread concepts in with a traditional power/pro offense.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 10:04 am to JustGetItRight
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Even under Chip Kelly the Oregon offense had tons trouble against SEC (or any really physical) defenses and IMO they've gotten even worse since Chip left.
I understand LSU wants to get more diverse, but you don't want to do that at the expense of what has been an incredibly successful formula - and that's what will happen with Helfrich. While it will sound homerish, you need to look at what Bama's done with blending spread concepts in with a traditional power/pro offense.
Good points. However, outstanding defenses can make life harder on just about any style of offense. Consider that maybe Oregon was simply outmatched in the trenches vs SEC teams they faced. It stands to reason LSU should not have that same problem.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 10:14 am to AHM21
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LSU is too good of a job to be settling for hires.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 10:22 am to TidalSurge1
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Good points. However, outstanding defenses can make life harder on just about any style of offense. Consider that maybe Oregon was simply outmatched in the trenches vs SEC teams they faced. It stands to reason LSU should not have that same problem.
That's a legitimate possibility, but there's also the regression Oregon's experienced since he took over. Is that because he's the HC now and doesn't have the time to devote to the offense or is it because the further he got away from Kelly's influence the more he regressed?
Just seems to me like a hire that would have a lot more potential for dramatic failure than dramatic success.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 10:27 am to geauxcoco
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An Oregon fan who knows that team upside down come on the CC board yesterday and says that its complete BS that he didn't call any plays in all his years at Oregon. Says he is a very solid OC, just not HC material. He had consecutive top 10 offenses for yearrrrrssssss as their OC. Great QB developer as well. He seems alot like Aranda as far as his teaching style and how smart his...just on the offensive side of the ball.
we all know how well his offenses fared against SEC defenses, and this was at a time when Oregon was at its best in terms of offensive talent. And I think it's pretty clear, much like with Saban at Alabama in regards to defense, that Chip Kelly was running the show when Oregon was putting up 60 points a game
Posted on 12/7/16 at 10:28 am to chattabama
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Not sure LSU has the personnel to make that offense a success right now. May be some growing pains during the transition. Are LSU fans willing to take another one to two years of mediocrity?
eh, I don't think that's an issue at all. We have plenty of speed at the skill position. Harris would actually probably fare much better in an offense like that. I just don't think that type of system will work against top flight SEC defenses
Posted on 12/7/16 at 10:30 am to geauxcoco
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As quarterbacks coach, Helfrich was instrumental in the development of the quarterbacks that played under his tutelage at Oregon. In 2009, Jeremiah Masoli's leadership improved as he led Oregon to the 2010 Rose Bowl. The following season sophomore Darron Thomas guided an undefeated Oregon team to the 2011 BCS National Championship Game. Thomas finished his career 23-3 as a starter with a school-record 66 touchdown passes[19] and led the Ducks to a 45–38 victory over #10 Wisconsin in the 2012 Rose Bowl. The 2012 season showcased Marcus Mariota as the first freshman to start a season opener for the Ducks in 22 seasons.[20] He led the Ducks to a 12–1 record while being named All-Pac-12 Conference First Team,[21] Pac-12 Freshman Offensive Player of the Year,[21] and winning the 2013 Fiesta Bowl Offensive MVP Award as he guided the Ducks to a 35-17 victory over #5 Kansas State.[22] He then guided Oregon to the National Championship game and won the Heisman in 2014.
and who was the HC during these years?
Posted on 12/7/16 at 10:35 am to JustGetItRight
Marriotta was a dang good DT QB, which is of paramount importance to the Kelly/Helfrich offense. Also, Oregon's weakness on defense lately hasn't helped matters either. Idk if the drop-off at QB after Marriotta means Helfich can't really develop/coach QBs or just wasn't able to recruit the QB he needed. I would think it got harder to attract recruits to Oregon after Kelly bolted. Obviously, Helfrich didn't get it done as HC, but LSU only needs him to be a solid OC. Recruiting at LSU has not been a problem other than at the QB position. The success of Helfrich or any OC at LSU is going to depend greatly on who the next QB is.
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 10:42 am to lsufball19
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we all know how well his offenses fared against SEC defenses
A bit ridiculous, he lost to the eventual national champion and runner up. Those two teams also beat up on everyone else on their schedules. Helfrich is a horrendous HC, but he'd make a very good OC. Much better than anything you've had in years.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 10:49 am to JustGetItRight
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Even under Chip Kelly the Oregon offense had tons trouble against SEC (or any really physical) defenses and IMO they've gotten even worse since Chip left.
I understand LSU wants to get more diverse, but you don't want to do that at the expense of what has been an incredibly successful formula - and that's what will happen with Helfrich. While it will sound homerish, you need to look at what Bama's done with blending spread concepts in with a traditional power/pro offense
A complete transition away from what LSU currently runs is a huge risk.
Right now, LSU has a huge scheme advantage against half the SEC. There's a reason LSU set all those records and it's because a lot of teams are not built to defend power runs. Unfortunately, Bama is.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:37 am to lsufan251875
Honestly. I'd love that hire if I were an LSU fan. I keep up with Oregon some myself, and something that is very interesting about the offense that helfrich ran at UO, his teams were always top of the Pac12 at rushing. His offense seems to be built to spread a defense out so much that they can only put 4-5 in the box and run it up the gut, or to the outside on stretches.
Plus as far as QB's go, check out the true freshman they started halfway through the season, Justin Herbert or something like that. Helfrich had an instrumental role in developing him and recruiting him. Helfrich to LSU is a scary thought, but if I were an LSU fan I'd love the idea.
Also; never was a fan of I-Formation teams. It puts too many in the box and makes it harder to run. Only big play opportunities come when the QB has the arm strength to throw a 30-40 yard vertical seam route.
Plus as far as QB's go, check out the true freshman they started halfway through the season, Justin Herbert or something like that. Helfrich had an instrumental role in developing him and recruiting him. Helfrich to LSU is a scary thought, but if I were an LSU fan I'd love the idea.
Also; never was a fan of I-Formation teams. It puts too many in the box and makes it harder to run. Only big play opportunities come when the QB has the arm strength to throw a 30-40 yard vertical seam route.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:45 am to RLDSC FAN
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A bit ridiculous, he lost to the eventual national champion and runner up. Those two teams also beat up on everyone else on their schedules.
You may not have noticed, but the inability to consistently beat teams of that caliber is the exact reason LSU fired Les Miles.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:50 am to geauxcoco
quote:Be prepared to be very patient for at least a couple of years, and do not blame CEO if it takes a while to not only recruit the skill players but also the oline it will take to totally revamp your offense to Oregon style.
I know many of you will tell me this belongs on the Coaching Changes board so flame away if you please....but I want other SEC fans opinions on this. I believe USF will snag Kiffin. It seems Helfrich has reached out and is a very viable possibility....I honestly can't imagine going from our conservative O to implementing Oregon like offensive schemes. Our offense would change completely. Thoughts by the Rant on him coming to LSU? Good, bad?
Letting him evaluate the talent available will take time, then he has to get them on campus, and then train and develop them to be successful executing the plan. It could be 2018-2019 before y'all are happy with his offensive production.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:52 am to chattabama
quote:Bingo - LSU fans would have to be ultra patient with Helfrich. I don't think they have it in them to be patient with an offensive transition period.
Not sure LSU has the personnel to make that offense a success right now. May be some growing pains during the transition. Are LSU fans willing to take another one to two years of mediocrity?
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:59 am to RT1941
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Who is going to be your QB next year?
Good ?....as obviously Etling would not fit Helfrich schemes. I don't know if we will go down this road...but De'Andre Johnson has reached out to LSU. Top DT Juco QB in the nation who was kicked off Fla St. team. He says he would be very interested in LSU if we offer...kid has ALL the tools to run this O. Time will tell...
Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:03 pm to TidalSurge1
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Idk if the drop-off at QB after Marriotta means Helfich can't really develop/coach QBs or just wasn't able to recruit the QB he needed.
The D killed them....he started a true freshman halfway thru the season that still averaged 35 pts a game and finished in the top 20 on O....but everyone keeps talking about how much the O dropped off
We would LOVE a top 20 offense at LSU ;-)Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:00 pm to chawk195
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His offense seems to be built to spread a defense out so much that they can only put 4-5 in the box and run it up the gut, or to the outside on stretches.
Guice is drooling
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