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What is the Point of a Conference Baseball Tournament?
Posted on 5/21/17 at 7:47 am
Posted on 5/21/17 at 7:47 am
Does anyone get jacked for this?
-The current setup seems unnecessarily arduous (the SEC, at least) with double elimination games
-The season is already long enough at 40 games. A needless tournament at season's end seems conducive only to tire out teams before the regionals, which actually do count for something
-No automatic berths like in basketball
-Although there is some last-minute jostling among teams, national seedings are pretty much solidified (or can be)
-Facing the same teams already played during the season
Besides money, which I'm sure is the deciding factor, what's even the point?
Educate me.
-The current setup seems unnecessarily arduous (the SEC, at least) with double elimination games
-The season is already long enough at 40 games. A needless tournament at season's end seems conducive only to tire out teams before the regionals, which actually do count for something
-No automatic berths like in basketball
-Although there is some last-minute jostling among teams, national seedings are pretty much solidified (or can be)
-Facing the same teams already played during the season
Besides money, which I'm sure is the deciding factor, what's even the point?
Educate me.
Posted on 5/21/17 at 7:51 am to shutterspeed
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-No automatic berths like in basketball
There is an automatic berth. It just hardly happens in this conference where the team that wins the tourney didn't already have an at-large berth locked up.
This post was edited on 5/21/17 at 7:53 am
Posted on 5/21/17 at 7:51 am to shutterspeed
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What is the Point of a Conference Baseball Tournament?
$$$$
Posted on 5/21/17 at 7:53 am to BayouBengals03
Oh, I hadn't realized that.
I hate, hate, hate that in any sport a conference champion wouldn't represent a conference in a post-season tournament.
I hate, hate, hate that in any sport a conference champion wouldn't represent a conference in a post-season tournament.
Posted on 5/21/17 at 8:02 am to shutterspeed
Because it is a fun event? I go every year, and will next week, too.
Posted on 5/21/17 at 8:03 am to shutterspeed
Why bitch about extra baseball? Get to set up the side monitors at work all week.
Posted on 5/21/17 at 8:05 am to AUCE05
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Because it is a fun event? I go every year, and will next week, too.
Posted on 5/21/17 at 8:06 am to shutterspeed
Personally, I don't like it. I like the way DVH usually approaches it though.
I think it tires your pitching out the week before regionals begin, which is where you want to do well. It is a quick turn around for teams 5-12 to play again on Tuesday after playing a 3 game series just a few days before.
I would prefer just a single game elimination tourney like the softball tourney is set up. This would allow for a start on Thursday, which would keep everyones weekend pitching rotation the same as the week before and give arms about 6-7 days rest.
I think it tires your pitching out the week before regionals begin, which is where you want to do well. It is a quick turn around for teams 5-12 to play again on Tuesday after playing a 3 game series just a few days before.
I would prefer just a single game elimination tourney like the softball tourney is set up. This would allow for a start on Thursday, which would keep everyones weekend pitching rotation the same as the week before and give arms about 6-7 days rest.
Posted on 5/21/17 at 8:07 am to shutterspeed
Makes the conf mo' money.
Posted on 5/21/17 at 8:12 am to shutterspeed
It gives teams opportunities who move up from bubble to in, 2 seed to host, host to national seed.
It is as stacked of a tournament as there is. A lot of years it is as talented as Omaha.
There is a trophy. Sure it doesn't mean as much as a national title, but it's worth trying for (as long as you're not screwing yourself for regionals)
It is as stacked of a tournament as there is. A lot of years it is as talented as Omaha.
There is a trophy. Sure it doesn't mean as much as a national title, but it's worth trying for (as long as you're not screwing yourself for regionals)
Posted on 5/21/17 at 8:15 am to shutterspeed
I imagine the fans enjoy it. If they didn't, they wouldn't watch, ratings would go down, TV would stop carrying it, AND it would go away....so it's what you said.......$$$$$$$
what else is new?
what else is new?
Posted on 5/21/17 at 8:18 am to Farmer1906
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It gives teams opportunities who move up from bubble to in, 2 seed to host, host to national seed.
Sure, but you don't have to have bubble teams by season's end. Teams are "on the bubble" only because there is a conference tournament. Otherwise, those bubble teams are just the first teams left out.
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It is as stacked of a tournament as there is. A lot of years it is as talented as Omaha.
The same teams played, for the most part, during the regular season.
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There is a trophy. Sure it doesn't mean as much as a national title, but it's worth trying for (as long as you're not screwing yourself for regionals)
It doesn't mean anything at all for teams vested in the national playoff picture. I rarely see teams touting a conference tournament championship.
Posted on 5/21/17 at 8:19 am to shutterspeed
I agree with all of your points. It's a shame there isn't more at stake because it is one of the more enjoyable sporting events to attend as a fan IMO.
Posted on 5/21/17 at 8:21 am to Mohican
Your post just answered his question.
Posted on 5/21/17 at 8:33 am to shutterspeed
ok, you don't like having this tournament. have you ever been?
my direct answer...
-the event makes money for the conference
-the event is fun as hell for the fans
-the event is fun for the players and coaches
-the event represents an opportunity for some teams
to improve their situation in a regional or even
to make a regional
-it allows the opportunity to face teams that were
not played during the season
"tiring out teams" is overstated. sure, if pitchers are abused during this tournament it can be detrimental to the regionals but that is the coaches job not to do that. the position players are young guys and do not "tire out" like you and I do.
my direct answer...
-the event makes money for the conference
-the event is fun as hell for the fans
-the event is fun for the players and coaches
-the event represents an opportunity for some teams
to improve their situation in a regional or even
to make a regional
-it allows the opportunity to face teams that were
not played during the season
"tiring out teams" is overstated. sure, if pitchers are abused during this tournament it can be detrimental to the regionals but that is the coaches job not to do that. the position players are young guys and do not "tire out" like you and I do.
Posted on 5/21/17 at 8:38 am to LSU GrandDad
Also, the Met has the same dimensions as TD Ameritrade, which gives teams an opportunity to work on their playoff strategy
Posted on 5/21/17 at 8:40 am to shutterspeed
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Sure, but you don't have to have bubble teams by season's end. Teams are "on the bubble" only because there is a conference tournament. Otherwise, those bubble teams are just the first teams left out.
But we don't know who's in or who's out. This is just another format to give teams opportunities. Auto bid is in play.
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The same teams played, for the most part, during the regular season.
And? This is a completely different format. Show me another tourney that is this stacked that isn't Omaha.
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It doesn't mean anything at all for teams vested in the national playoff picture. I rarely see teams touting a conference tournament championship.
It means the chance to move from regional host to national seed. Hosting a super helps make it to Omaha.
Every team boasts about any trophy no matter what.
This post was edited on 5/21/17 at 8:41 am
Posted on 5/21/17 at 8:43 am to LSU GrandDad
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position players are young guys and do not "tire out" like you and I do.
I'm not worried about the position players (though there is always the potential for injury). I'm worried about the pitchers and the short turn-around time before regionals. (See the TigerRant discussion about who to pitch during the SEC tournament.)
Posted on 5/21/17 at 8:53 am to shutterspeed
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I'm not worried about the position players (though there is always the potential for injury). I'm worried about the pitchers and the short turn-around time before regionals
I agree. but the better teams generally have more higher caliber pitchers in their pens and most of them have byes also. but it still is up to the coach to ensure they don't overuse guys. the lower seeded teams are the ones that use more pitching and they are trying to make a regional.
teams going to a regional already often do not pitch their best option available esp late in the tournament. a deep bull pen is needed to win this tournament and some coaches do not put that high of a priority on winning the thing (of course they wouldn't publically agree).
so, imo, having the tournament has it's pluses and it's minuses. I think the positives win out.
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