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What is the Point of a Conference Baseball Tournament?

Posted on 5/21/17 at 7:47 am
Posted by shutterspeed
MS Gulf Coast
Member since May 2007
63180 posts
Posted on 5/21/17 at 7:47 am
Does anyone get jacked for this?

-The current setup seems unnecessarily arduous (the SEC, at least) with double elimination games

-The season is already long enough at 40 games. A needless tournament at season's end seems conducive only to tire out teams before the regionals, which actually do count for something

-No automatic berths like in basketball

-Although there is some last-minute jostling among teams, national seedings are pretty much solidified (or can be)

-Facing the same teams already played during the season

Besides money, which I'm sure is the deciding factor, what's even the point?

Educate me.
Posted by BayouBengals03
lsu14always
Member since Nov 2007
99999 posts
Posted on 5/21/17 at 7:51 am to
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-No automatic berths like in basketball

There is an automatic berth. It just hardly happens in this conference where the team that wins the tourney didn't already have an at-large berth locked up.
This post was edited on 5/21/17 at 7:53 am
Posted by Cheese Grits
Wherever I lay my hat is my home
Member since Apr 2012
54611 posts
Posted on 5/21/17 at 7:51 am to
quote:

What is the Point of a Conference Baseball Tournament?


$$$$
Posted by shutterspeed
MS Gulf Coast
Member since May 2007
63180 posts
Posted on 5/21/17 at 7:53 am to
Oh, I hadn't realized that.

I hate, hate, hate that in any sport a conference champion wouldn't represent a conference in a post-season tournament.
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
42553 posts
Posted on 5/21/17 at 8:02 am to
Because it is a fun event? I go every year, and will next week, too.
Posted by crankbait
Member since Feb 2008
11623 posts
Posted on 5/21/17 at 8:03 am to
Why bitch about extra baseball? Get to set up the side monitors at work all week.
Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
48886 posts
Posted on 5/21/17 at 8:05 am to
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Because it is a fun event? I go every year, and will next week, too.

Posted by Hawgeye
tFlagship Brothel
Member since Jun 2009
30911 posts
Posted on 5/21/17 at 8:06 am to
Personally, I don't like it. I like the way DVH usually approaches it though.

I think it tires your pitching out the week before regionals begin, which is where you want to do well. It is a quick turn around for teams 5-12 to play again on Tuesday after playing a 3 game series just a few days before.

I would prefer just a single game elimination tourney like the softball tourney is set up. This would allow for a start on Thursday, which would keep everyones weekend pitching rotation the same as the week before and give arms about 6-7 days rest.
Posted by Crimson Wraith
Member since Jan 2014
24717 posts
Posted on 5/21/17 at 8:07 am to
Makes the conf mo' money.
Posted by Farmer1906
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Apr 2009
50162 posts
Posted on 5/21/17 at 8:12 am to
It gives teams opportunities who move up from bubble to in, 2 seed to host, host to national seed.

It is as stacked of a tournament as there is. A lot of years it is as talented as Omaha.

There is a trophy. Sure it doesn't mean as much as a national title, but it's worth trying for (as long as you're not screwing yourself for regionals)
Posted by coachcrisp
pensacola, fl
Member since Jun 2012
30588 posts
Posted on 5/21/17 at 8:15 am to
I imagine the fans enjoy it. If they didn't, they wouldn't watch, ratings would go down, TV would stop carrying it, AND it would go away....so it's what you said.......$$$$$$$
what else is new?
Posted by shutterspeed
MS Gulf Coast
Member since May 2007
63180 posts
Posted on 5/21/17 at 8:18 am to
quote:

It gives teams opportunities who move up from bubble to in, 2 seed to host, host to national seed.


Sure, but you don't have to have bubble teams by season's end. Teams are "on the bubble" only because there is a conference tournament. Otherwise, those bubble teams are just the first teams left out.

quote:

It is as stacked of a tournament as there is. A lot of years it is as talented as Omaha.



The same teams played, for the most part, during the regular season.

quote:

There is a trophy. Sure it doesn't mean as much as a national title, but it's worth trying for (as long as you're not screwing yourself for regionals)


It doesn't mean anything at all for teams vested in the national playoff picture. I rarely see teams touting a conference tournament championship.
Posted by Mohican
Member since Nov 2012
6179 posts
Posted on 5/21/17 at 8:19 am to
I agree with all of your points. It's a shame there isn't more at stake because it is one of the more enjoyable sporting events to attend as a fan IMO.
Posted by coachcrisp
pensacola, fl
Member since Jun 2012
30588 posts
Posted on 5/21/17 at 8:21 am to
Your post just answered his question.
Posted by LSU GrandDad
houston, texas
Member since Jun 2009
21564 posts
Posted on 5/21/17 at 8:33 am to
ok, you don't like having this tournament. have you ever been?

my direct answer...

-the event makes money for the conference
-the event is fun as hell for the fans
-the event is fun for the players and coaches
-the event represents an opportunity for some teams
to improve their situation in a regional or even
to make a regional
-it allows the opportunity to face teams that were
not played during the season

"tiring out teams" is overstated. sure, if pitchers are abused during this tournament it can be detrimental to the regionals but that is the coaches job not to do that. the position players are young guys and do not "tire out" like you and I do.
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
42553 posts
Posted on 5/21/17 at 8:38 am to
Also, the Met has the same dimensions as TD Ameritrade, which gives teams an opportunity to work on their playoff strategy
Posted by Farmer1906
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Apr 2009
50162 posts
Posted on 5/21/17 at 8:40 am to
quote:

Sure, but you don't have to have bubble teams by season's end. Teams are "on the bubble" only because there is a conference tournament. Otherwise, those bubble teams are just the first teams left out.



But we don't know who's in or who's out. This is just another format to give teams opportunities. Auto bid is in play.

quote:

The same teams played, for the most part, during the regular season.



And? This is a completely different format. Show me another tourney that is this stacked that isn't Omaha.

quote:

It doesn't mean anything at all for teams vested in the national playoff picture. I rarely see teams touting a conference tournament championship.



It means the chance to move from regional host to national seed. Hosting a super helps make it to Omaha.

Every team boasts about any trophy no matter what.
This post was edited on 5/21/17 at 8:41 am
Posted by shutterspeed
MS Gulf Coast
Member since May 2007
63180 posts
Posted on 5/21/17 at 8:43 am to
quote:

position players are young guys and do not "tire out" like you and I do.


I'm not worried about the position players (though there is always the potential for injury). I'm worried about the pitchers and the short turn-around time before regionals. (See the TigerRant discussion about who to pitch during the SEC tournament.)
Posted by LSU GrandDad
houston, texas
Member since Jun 2009
21564 posts
Posted on 5/21/17 at 8:53 am to
quote:

I'm not worried about the position players (though there is always the potential for injury). I'm worried about the pitchers and the short turn-around time before regionals


I agree. but the better teams generally have more higher caliber pitchers in their pens and most of them have byes also. but it still is up to the coach to ensure they don't overuse guys. the lower seeded teams are the ones that use more pitching and they are trying to make a regional.

teams going to a regional already often do not pitch their best option available esp late in the tournament. a deep bull pen is needed to win this tournament and some coaches do not put that high of a priority on winning the thing (of course they wouldn't publically agree).

so, imo, having the tournament has it's pluses and it's minuses. I think the positives win out.
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