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re: What is going on with Arky/A&M betting?

Posted on 9/24/13 at 8:16 am to
Posted by PrivatePublic
Member since Nov 2012
17848 posts
Posted on 9/24/13 at 8:16 am to
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If we have Brandon Allen last weekend....we beat Rutgers by 20....we don't lose the 17 point lead


Cool, your QB plays defense too? That's a rarity these days.
Posted by GatorReb
Dallas GA
Member since Feb 2009
9280 posts
Posted on 9/24/13 at 8:22 am to
I also believe I saw a stat where Ole Miss was 10-2 against the spread last year if I'm not mistaken.
Posted by blacknblu
Member since Nov 2011
10276 posts
Posted on 9/24/13 at 8:24 am to
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Cool, your QB plays defense too?


You didn't know - He's really a LB






Now, you had to have see that coming
Posted by Tridentds
Sugar Land
Member since Aug 2011
20278 posts
Posted on 9/24/13 at 8:26 am to
No idea. Was on a few different sites yesterday and they all had the same type of spread. Had Hogs beaten Rutgers I could see this type of spread.

With a starting QB out and the line at Hogs +3 you would think money would be getting dumped on Ags but line really isn't moving that much yet.

I would have thought Hogs +11 or so would be about right with Allen out. Not that often that Vegas is so far off so maybe they do know something. Maybe they think the Ags defense is porous for some reason??

Weird spread.
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
Miami
Member since Oct 2007
45656 posts
Posted on 9/24/13 at 8:28 am to
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THERE IS NO CURRENT SPREAD ON THE A&M; AT ARKANSAS GAME
Those citing the three point spread all point to the VegasInsider page. The only problem? VegasInsider doesn't show any books - either in Vegas or offshore - accepting action on the game. In fact, no books are taking action on it.
If a point spread cannot be bet, then it does not exist. It has as much value as the hot sports takes you hear on your local sports radio station. Which is to say, none at all.


I have been telling you guys for about 5 years now to take the vegas insider lines with a grain of salt.

They are not and never have been a bettable line anywhere. They are simply a guess by a website. Nothing more, nothing less. Anyone of us here could start a website and post our guess, same exact thing.

Vegas Insider posts NCAAF lines mid afternoon on Sundays and have been doing it for about a decade (from what I recall). The first lines that get posted are the LVH in Nevada and the Greek in carribean. They have been the first lines up forever, usually around 5pm or so on Sunday. Those lines are usually capped as well.

The major casinos post their lines Monday from early morning (after midnight on Sunday) until about 9am est when all lines are generally up unless there is some unknown (like a possibly injured qb).

It has been this way for at least 13 years (since I started with offshore accounts and paying attention to how and when lines are set).
Posted by Hawgeye
tFlagship Brothel
Member since Jun 2009
30893 posts
Posted on 9/24/13 at 8:32 am to
Not yet. I should have some contact with folks who know today and tomorrow.
Posted by dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
Dystopia (but well cared for)
Member since Mar 2012
25235 posts
Posted on 9/24/13 at 8:34 am to
I'm just wondering since it's his throwing shoulder, he may play but not be 100%.
Posted by Tridentds
Sugar Land
Member since Aug 2011
20278 posts
Posted on 9/24/13 at 8:34 am to
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They are not and never have been a bettable line anywhere


Okay, went back and took another look and you are 100% on the money.

Good info.
Posted by blacknblu
Member since Nov 2011
10276 posts
Posted on 9/24/13 at 8:35 am to
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I'm just wondering since it's his throwing shoulder, he may play but not be 100%.


Still an improvement
Posted by Hawgeye
tFlagship Brothel
Member since Jun 2009
30893 posts
Posted on 9/24/13 at 10:23 am to
When Coach B openly answers the question...."if Brandon doesn't practice all week but is cleared to play Saturday, will he start."

"Yes, he will be the starter"

You know everyone below him sucks
Posted by NorthGwinnettTiger
Member since Jun 2006
51800 posts
Posted on 9/24/13 at 10:26 am to
I'll give it till tomorrow at noon (est) for a line to come out before I do the ATS thread. If not by then, we'll just leave this game off.
Posted by TheCheshireHog
Cashew Chicken Country
Member since Oct 2010
40842 posts
Posted on 9/24/13 at 10:26 am to
Yeah I loved his answer of "even if he doesn't practice all week and they clear him Saturday right before the game he will start."
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
43944 posts
Posted on 9/24/13 at 10:27 am to
Posted by blacknblu
Member since Nov 2011
10276 posts
Posted on 9/24/13 at 10:34 am to
When it comes out, the lowest it would be is A&M -10, and that's because the game is in Fayetteville.

Realistically - I'd say A&M -20, and that may even be low

Vegas is in the business of making $. The $ in this bet will be made in the spread. All this hype about -3 is getting stupid people hard right now.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
134026 posts
Posted on 9/24/13 at 10:36 am to
I don't follow sports betting. Does this type of thing happen often? Scuttlebutt about lines that can't really be bet upon? Just curious.
Posted by wmr
North of Dickson, South of Herman's
Member since Mar 2009
32518 posts
Posted on 9/24/13 at 10:37 am to
quote:

JFF caught in a 3-way with Aggie Yell Leaders in Sumlins office. Presser at 4.


Like, how would that even work?
Posted by blacknblu
Member since Nov 2011
10276 posts
Posted on 9/24/13 at 10:40 am to
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Like, how would that even work?


He's JFF
One would go long, and he'd get sacked in the pocket by the other
Posted by Harryk15
Member since Jan 2013
560 posts
Posted on 9/24/13 at 10:40 am to
Arky fans, do y'all believe Allen will play on Saturday or do you think its just gamesmanship by Bielema holding off on announcing he's not playing till game time?
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
Miami
Member since Oct 2007
45656 posts
Posted on 9/24/13 at 10:41 am to
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Okay, went back and took another look and you are 100% on the money.

Good info.


I literally explain this 3 times per year, so I have it down pretty well now. I've gone into longer explainations about early "feeler" lines that are used offshore and capped at low betting limits and how the casinos do look at those to get a feel for how the action may go initially, before they set their line early Monday morning.

Anyway, vegasinsider has been quoted here as a legit line for years and it simply isn't. It is just an opinion of a website, no more valid than mine. They are making an educated guess and they are decent at it, but I have seen them off double digits from the actually spread several times in the past as well.

Funny thing is apparently ESPN thinks they are legit as well. Bunch of damn idiots really (ESPN).
This post was edited on 9/24/13 at 10:44 am
Posted by blacknblu
Member since Nov 2011
10276 posts
Posted on 9/24/13 at 10:41 am to
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Arky fans, do y'all believe Allen will play on Saturday or do you think its just gamesmanship by Bielema holding off on announcing he's not playing till game time?


I honestly couldn't believe he was out against Rutgers. I guess his shoulder injury is legit.
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