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What if the SEC can only get one North Carolina School? Just Replace and keep 14

Posted on 4/13/17 at 9:59 am
Posted by The Winner
Member since Nov 2016
7908 posts
Posted on 4/13/17 at 9:59 am
If North Carolina and North Carolina State are on the market, then the SEC won't be the only league after them. If I were to guess, the Big Ten would snatch up UNC. Which would leave the SEC with NCSU. So what could the SEC do with 15 teams? Easy replace a team.

And what better team to replace than a team whose athletic programs are irrelevant in every sport: Ole Miss. In fact their NCAA Investigation could cost the SEC Millions of Dollars. A University of MD President believes that UNC could get the death penalty. Hehe if he read the Ole Miss report he would be flabbergasted. The Ole Miss case will be the worst case since SMU and its not even close.

So what does NCSU bring over OM? Easy from day 1 the Raleigh/Durham/Charlotte Media market is a priority for the SEC. NCSU has won 2 National Titles in Basketball and is largely overlooked because they are stuck in the same state with 2 of the best teams of all time. NCSU would from day 1 be a top 5 SEC Program. And NCSU doesnt have the NCAA crap that UNC has. Although UNC only has 5 allegations compared to Ole Miss 21. And at least UNC wins national titles when they cheat.
This post was edited on 4/13/17 at 10:14 am
Posted by BowlJackson
Birmingham, AL
Member since Sep 2013
52881 posts
Posted on 4/13/17 at 10:20 am to
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So what does NCSU bring over OM?


We're not kicking out a charter member. Mizzou is gone and that's an easy choice
Posted by momentoftruth87
Member since Oct 2013
71154 posts
Posted on 4/13/17 at 10:34 am to
The situation will be fixed, and UNC won't leave the ACC.
Posted by The Winner
Member since Nov 2016
7908 posts
Posted on 4/13/17 at 10:42 am to
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We're not kicking out a charter member. Mizzou is gone and that's an easy choice


Not really. Missouri brings in Kansas City and Saint Louis. Along with that they can actually win their own division. Funny they join the SEC and actually win their division and Ole Miss has never won the West. Only Kentucky and Vanderbilt are the only charter members to have not won their own division. Vanderbilt brings Academics and Baseball while Kentucky bring Basketball.

Funny Ole Miss has the Mississippi Media Market. Which is nothing and already exists with Mississippi State. They don't have academics, they are irrelevant in every sport and are about to get even more irrelevant thanks to the millions of dollars they are about to lose. The SEC is losing so much money for a school that brings in nothing. It must suck especially when you see Mississippi State in the National Title game in Women's Basketball. One of 3 sports Ole Miss has been on NCAA Investigation on.

You've heard my stance. Quite frankly MS is just too small of a state to support 2 SEC schools. Maybe even 1. But i'll take the one that is relevant in at least 1 sport. Well Miss State won the SEC in baseball last year so maybe they are somewhat relevant in that one too.
This post was edited on 4/13/17 at 10:44 am
Posted by piggilicious
Member since Jan 2011
37295 posts
Posted on 4/13/17 at 10:45 am to
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Mizzou is gone and that's an easy choice


I must have missed the vote that made you spokesturd for the sec.
Posted by BowlJackson
Birmingham, AL
Member since Sep 2013
52881 posts
Posted on 4/13/17 at 11:02 am to
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Missouri brings in Kansas City and Saint Louis.


Not really. Mizzou may have the smallest following of any SEC team sans Vandy. People in that state, and many at the school itself don't give a shite about college athletics. They really don't bring much to the table in terms of tv viewership.

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Along with that they can actually win their own division.


Flukes. The East was down. Look at how they got blown out in Atlanta both times. They're on the down trend in football and are about to become the doormat we all expected. It'll be a long long time before Mizzou wins their division in football again, if ever.

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Funny Ole Miss has the Mississippi Media Market. Which is nothing and already exists with Mississippi State. 


Ole Miss is the bigger school with the bigger fanbase. If you're going to get rid of one of the schools in that state then why keep the small fish?

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But i'll take the one that is relevant in at least 1 sport. Well Miss State won the SEC in baseball last year so maybe they are somewhat relevant in that one too.


I'm sorry but what other sport are they relevant in? I saw your little argument about women's basketball but I promise a runner up in women's basketball isn't bringing in much money at all. Especially not enough to make an argument for keeping them.

I know you're not about to try and argue they're relevant in football or you're outing yourself as an MSU fan. They're under .500 all-time and had two good seasons in their history because they were lucky to sign an NFL QB that nobody else recruited. You've already see. Them regress back to the norm with a losing record once Dak left. That's who they are.

As for baseball Ole Miss is just as good as them.



Mississippi State is the worst academic school in the SEC and has the worst athletic department. One of the worst athletic departments in the entire country. They're the only SEC that's never won a single team National Championship in any sport ever in their entire 120+ year of athletics. That's unfathomabley bad. At least Ole Miss has some sort of history.

Look, there is no realistic scenario that exists in which a charter member would be asked to leave the SEC. But if it did, MSU brings the least to the table.

If a situation came up where we had to cut a team it would be without a doubt an expansion team. And that team is easily Mizzou. They just don't fit in the SEC. Not culturally and not athletically. Never have and never will. They don't belong and they're not good enough at any sport to justify them being here. Sorry, but that's just how it is.
Posted by TarHeel408
NC
Member since Mar 2017
1314 posts
Posted on 4/13/17 at 11:02 am to
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I were to guess, the Big Ten would snatch up UNC. Which wou


The Big Ten would want us but we wouldn't go. The last time this came up, our board members got hundreds of emails about it. One board member said he got over 400 emails supporting a move to the SEC and a single email supporting a move to the Big Ten. Buck Sanders, Inside Carolina's owner, said he would basically be done with UNC athletics if we went to the Big Ten. Our fan base has nothing in common with Purdue or Minnesota or Nebraska.
Posted by BowlJackson
Birmingham, AL
Member since Sep 2013
52881 posts
Posted on 4/13/17 at 11:04 am to
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I must have missed the vote that made you spokesturd for the sec


Hush now expansion team. You don't make decisions here. The only reason you want Mizzou is because they're closest to you and before they came around it was Arkansas that was the oddball out in the SEC and would've been first up on any potential chopping block
Posted by RocketBallz
Member since Oct 2012
1285 posts
Posted on 4/13/17 at 11:07 am to
Actually, 15 would work. 3 divisions, two highest ranked meet in conf championship. If expansion happens again, no need to pair up.

Maybe just snatch OU when GOR ends if ACC stays solid.

Can't get rid of Ole Miss, no matter how bad it gets, short of death penalty.
Posted by piggilicious
Member since Jan 2011
37295 posts
Posted on 4/13/17 at 11:12 am to
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The only reason you want Mizzou is because they're closest to you and before they came around it was Arkansas that was the oddball out in the SEC and would've been first up on any potential chopping block


It really has nothing to do with Mizzou at all but having you as the speaker for an organization is like having liver and onions for every meal.
Posted by The Winner
Member since Nov 2016
7908 posts
Posted on 4/13/17 at 11:18 am to
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Ole Miss is the bigger school with the bigger fanbase. If you're going to get rid of one of the schools in that state then why keep the small fish?

This is a myth that has been widely debunked. With MSU having more students, and more alumni in the State of MS its been quite frankly sad to see such an instituion like UMiss have such terrible leadership.

But this is not surprising coming from an Auburn fan who is obssessed with MSU more than Ive ever seen. It's almost like an inferiority complex to Alabama has drove you to try to obsess over MSU to make yourself feel better. Do note that your school has been on probation and recieved more bowl bans than any other school.

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Ole Miss is the bigger school with the bigger fanbase. If you're going to get rid of one of the schools in that state then why keep the small fish?


Because no one wants to root for a school with confederate flags, a plantation owner mascot that everyone wants to keep, and an administration that has to cheat to attract diverse recruits since they don't want to be there either.

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They're the only SEC that's never won a single team National Championship in any sport ever in their entire 120+ year of athletics.


UMiss has won 0 as well. Mississippi State has been to two National title games in the past 4 years. UMiss has claimed 3 national titles that mean about as much as their claimed SEC titles because they never defeated Alabama when they claimed any of those.

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Mississippi State is the worst academic school in the SEC and has the worst athletic department. One of the worst athletic departments in the entire country.


they are end to last in the SEC in all of those. But you have to be an egghead to not see that UMiss is even worse.

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That's unfathomabley bad. At least Ole Miss has some sort of history.


That is true. The confederacy of Ole Miss(which that name in itself is part of their problem) brings a lot of history.


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As for baseball Ole Miss is just as good as them.


Google is your friend

Ole Miss
College World Series appearances
1956, 1964, 1969, 1972, 2014
NCAA Tournament appearances
1956, 1964, 1969, 1972, 1977, 1995, 1999, 2001, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016
Conference tournament champions
1977, 2006
Conference champions
1959, 1960, 1964, 1969, 1972, 1977, 2009

Mississippi State
College World Series Runner-up
2013
College World Series appearances
1971, 1979, 1981, 1985, 1990, 1997, 1998, 2007, 2013
NCAA Regional Champions
1979, 1981, 1985, 1990, 1997, 1998, 2000, 2001, 2007, 2011, 2013, 2016
NCAA Tournament appearances
1949, 1953, 1965, 1966, 1970, 1971, 1978, 1979, 1981, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2016
Conference tournament champions
1979, 1985, 1987, 1990, 2001, 2005, 2012
Conference champions
1909, 1911, 1918, 1921, 1922, 1924, 1948, 1949, 1965, 1966, 1970, 1971, 1979, 1985, 1987, 1989, 2016

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If a situation came up where we had to cut a team it would be without a doubt an expansion team. And that team is easily Mizzou. They just don't fit in the SEC. Not culturally and not athletically. Never have and never will. They don't belong and they're not good enough at any sport to justify them being here. Sorry, but that's just how it is.

I'm glad that you have spoken for the entire SEC. We are flattered.
Posted by The Winner
Member since Nov 2016
7908 posts
Posted on 4/13/17 at 11:20 am to
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Hush now expansion team. You don't make decisions here. The only reason you want Mizzou is because they're closest to you and before they came around it was Arkansas that was the oddball out in the SEC and would've been first up on any potential chopping block


I find it funny how an Auburn fan thinks he rules the SEC. Maybe he should try rule his own state first
Posted by BreakawayZou83
Kansas City, Missouri
Member since Oct 2011
9441 posts
Posted on 4/13/17 at 11:22 am to
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BowlJackson

Why would an Auburn fan be so obsessed with Mizzou? I guess it's flattering, but quite odd.
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
43789 posts
Posted on 4/13/17 at 11:26 am to
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Actually, 15 would work. 3 divisions, two highest ranked meet in conf championship. If expansion happens again, no need to pair up.


Three divisions, one permanent and one rotating opponent from each.

Three division winners and one at-large bid (Determined by highest ranked in CFB Playoff poll) play in the conference playoffs. Match-ups also determined by CFB Playoff rankings.

It could absolutely work.
Posted by BowlJackson
Birmingham, AL
Member since Sep 2013
52881 posts
Posted on 4/13/17 at 11:28 am to
I'm obsessed with 2 different schools both on page 1 of the same thread? Not gonna lie, that's good even for me.
Posted by Tillman
Member since May 2016
12363 posts
Posted on 4/13/17 at 11:30 am to
i'd like to see ECU get a spot.
Posted by Farmer1906
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Apr 2009
50200 posts
Posted on 4/13/17 at 11:33 am to
I wouldn't cry if we switched Ole Miss for UNC. Then add Mizzou to the West. We'd expand our footprint, improve in all sports, and make more sense geographically.
Posted by Kraven Moorehed
Franklin
Member since Dec 2015
2325 posts
Posted on 4/13/17 at 11:35 am to
I say we let State devour Ole' Miss regardless of what happens. Like a lion feasting on the soul of a lesser lion.
Posted by rebsfan10
Member since Dec 2013
1564 posts
Posted on 4/13/17 at 11:37 am to
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This is a myth that has been widely debunked. With MSU having more students, and more alumni in the State of MS its been quite frankly sad to see such an instituion like UMiss have such terrible leadership.


Both schools have enrollments of around 21,000. Yes, State might have more local students, but that is because a lot of kids from Georgia and Texas go to Ole Miss. Georgia and UT can only take so many kids and for some reason a trend started about 10-15 years ago and enrollment at Ole Miss for students from those states has grown tremendously. Ole Miss is a charter member and would never be voted out of the SEC. If they did, Miss State would not last much longer b/c there would be no point in keeping them. They don't have any other rivalry. Some posters on here might, but the majority of LSU fans wouldn't want the Ole Miss rivalry to end. Mizzou would be the first to be voted out and it's not even close.
Posted by BowlJackson
Birmingham, AL
Member since Sep 2013
52881 posts
Posted on 4/13/17 at 11:39 am to
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Then add Mizzou to the West. We'd expand our footprint, improve in all sports, and make more sense geographically.


Yeah because it makes tons of sense to have Mizzou and Texas A&M in the Southeastern Conference
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