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Posted on 9/28/16 at 9:45 am to lsu711
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How does LSU being good help A&M?
Because of where we are as a program.
When we went to the SEC we made a bet that we could take with us a great percentage of the Texan mindshare to the SEC despite being blackballed by the Texas Big 12 programs and losing our biggest game in the state. We entered a battle to improve the brand of our program not at LSU's expense (or at the expense of any SEC program) but at the expense of Texas and (moreso) Oklahoma. We replaced the Texas game with the LSU game and put it on the same night for a reason- we are out to prove we can be relevant in the state without them and DESPITE them and their efforts to stop us.
In that way the better LSU is and the bigger that rivalry game gets the more we can steal the hearts and minds of Texans which eventually means their kids. Right now Nick Saban owns the SEC so our priority is building for a future where maybe, just maybe, we are the FSU of Texas. A good LSU (seeing as how its the closest SEC state) is the fastest way to get there outside of finding a way to beat Nick (a fool's game).
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There is very little opportunity for both LSU and A&M to be great.
bullshite. If we recruited the top Texas kids and you recruited the top LA kids and got their full potential we could both be top 10 teams when we meet at the end of the year. There is plenty to go around, we just need to make gains at the expense of Big 12 teams to get there. Making them irrelevant by having a monopoly on the best games in the state is how we get there.
This year the Red River Shootout (frick PC bullshite) is on Fox Sports 1. If LSU can get back to a high ranking by the time we play this could be the year that for the first time our big game blows the biggest game in the state for a century off the map. And the great part is those frickers are locked into that death trap thanks to a very expensive Big 12 GOR, so if we can steal that mindshare and they can't do anything to get it back for most of a decade.
People say I am scared of Herman to LSU, but I would welcome it. I am scared of Herman to OU because that is the program we need to continue to suffocate if we are going to be the program we want to be. LSU is a partner in that crime (with the rest of the SEC), not an adversary.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 9:47 am to LSUwag
His firing probably was inevitable but it would have been delayed by a few weeks. Or possibly as little as one week.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 9:50 am to cardboardboxer
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It seems to me that the coup failed last year, and due to that Les was able to give token concessions (like "I will change the offense but not change the personal") because he had consolidated power.
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Wisconsin loss Joe was Denzel Washington was able to lock Gene Hackman in his quarters
Posted on 9/28/16 at 9:51 am to lsu711
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How does LSU being good help A&M?
It really doesn't. Competing with Bama in the same division is hard enough. We don't need another powerhouse rival that competes with us directly on and off the field. The SEC will always have good teams whether LSU is down or not.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 9:55 am to ArabianKnight
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What about #7 getting tackled at the goal line while the ball was going over his head? He was getting mugged. Should have been off setting penalties and play an untimed down. (IF the play had counted, which it shouldn't have, because...)
Holy hell...#7 was on his feet facing the back of the Endzone with both of his forearms buried in the belly of the auburn defender pushing him while the auburn defender was facing the ball and had jumped with both of his hands up trying to make a play on the ball. You were right that there was a mugging, #7 was the perp. There were too many penalties against LSU on that play to count them all. None of that matters, of course, because the game was over before he ever snapped the ball
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Posted on 9/28/16 at 9:57 am to Keeper (LSU)
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We should have never been in that situation in the first place.
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Posted on 9/28/16 at 10:00 am to KaiserSoze99
Les wouldn't fire Cam. They were too good of friends.
As far as the way things were handled last year, it really was messy. I believe the tigers wanted to fire Miles, but were stopped by the school's president and the Governor for political reasons. The state was right in the middle of cutting funding to higher education. So paying a 12 million dollar buyout at the same time didn't look good. So they had to back peddle and retain Miles, but told him that he must change the offense. LSU is currently ranked 112th in total yards, 119th in passing yards, and 110th in ppg.
With the talent LSU has, those numbers should be higher.
As far as the way things were handled last year, it really was messy. I believe the tigers wanted to fire Miles, but were stopped by the school's president and the Governor for political reasons. The state was right in the middle of cutting funding to higher education. So paying a 12 million dollar buyout at the same time didn't look good. So they had to back peddle and retain Miles, but told him that he must change the offense. LSU is currently ranked 112th in total yards, 119th in passing yards, and 110th in ppg.
With the talent LSU has, those numbers should be higher.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 10:03 am to cardboardboxer
I understand your perspective. I wonder how A&Ms view of LSU changes when your goal shifts from being the best in Texas and better than the old B12 to being a national champion.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 10:06 am to Keeper (LSU)
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Auburn is a really bad football team.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 10:07 am to KaiserSoze99
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Now, the optic to coaching candidates is that LSU won't even let you finish the season. It gives the appearance that LSU has unrealistic expectations.
Why? Most people thought he was going to be fired last season. Why isn't the optic that LSU will give you the benefit of the doubt and give you another off season to make necessary changes?
People (and I'm talking about coaches) were making comments after the Wisconsin loss that LSU has the athletes to be a national contender and that Les Miles' offense is holding them back.
Coaches understand what is going on. They aren't oblivious to the factors that played into Les Miles' firing. The media likes to drum up shite like that because it creates controversy.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 10:08 am to KaiserSoze99
If Miles would've have won the game he would've just bought himself some time. He would've been fired eventually.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 10:11 am to KaiserSoze99
I'm amazed that people still don't understand that miles didn't lose his job because of any one loss, play whatever. The game has passed the man by. His inability or unwillingness to adapt a modern offense combined with what came across as a "good enough" mentality was his undoing. Les mismanaged this team in so many ways and we have all been seeing the results on the field for a long time, win or lose the man took all the fun out of LSU football
Posted on 9/28/16 at 10:14 am to cardboardboxer
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Because of where we are as a program.
When we went to the SEC we made a bet that we could take with us a great percentage of the Texan mindshare to the SEC despite being blackballed by the Texas Big 12 programs and losing our biggest game in the state. We entered a battle to improve the brand of our program not at LSU's expense (or at the expense of any SEC program) but at the expense of Texas and (moreso) Oklahoma. We replaced the Texas game with the LSU game and put it on the same night for a reason- we are out to prove we can be relevant in the state without them and DESPITE them and their efforts to stop us.
In that way the better LSU is and the bigger that rivalry game gets the more we can steal the hearts and minds of Texans which eventually means their kids. Right now Nick Saban owns the SEC so our priority is building for a future where maybe, just maybe, we are the FSU of Texas. A good LSU (seeing as how its the closest SEC state) is the fastest way to get there outside of finding a way to beat Nick (a fool's game).
Excellent, excellent post.
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bullshite. If we recruited the top Texas kids and you recruited the top LA kids and got their full potential we could both be top 10 teams when we meet at the end of the year. There is plenty to go around, we just need to make gains at the expense of Big 12 teams to get there. Making them irrelevant by having a monopoly on the best games in the state is how we get there.
Yep. Not to mention, there's enough talent right now in Texas to go around. You bleed out Texas and Oklahoma and the talent becomes more plentiful for LSU and A&M.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 10:18 am to Keeper (LSU)
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No one was screwed. The game is over. We lost. There was an illegal motion on the play anyway. It wasn't called, but there was still illegal motion.
Maybe not after that game, but I think Les would have been fired during the season anyway. Anyone who pays attention to LSU football knows the death spiral was gaining momentum. Auburn is a really bad football team. That tells you something about LSU right there.
We've been telling you tDecline was real for years...
Posted on 9/28/16 at 10:21 am to KaiserSoze99
quote:fify
What if LSU had not screwed up
Posted on 9/28/16 at 10:22 am to lsu711
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I understand your perspective. I wonder how A&Ms view of LSU changes when your goal shifts from being the best in Texas and better than the old B12 to being a national champion.
You have to walk before you can run. Our program and brand was in a bad place when we came to the SEC, so step one is improving there.
I wish for the day I am anti LSU because it keeps us out of the national title hunt, but we aren't there yet. Step one is turn Oklahoma into Nebraska and then the rest will come.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 10:22 am to KaiserSoze99
Coach O to Auburn
Posted on 9/28/16 at 10:27 am to cardboardboxer
I know the whole "we are not your rivals" deal is fun and games on here, but I look forward to the LSU vs A&M game every year and look forward to a heated rivalry in the future.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 10:29 am to KaiserSoze99
quote:Les is stubborn as shite. He was told to change that offense and he couldn't/wouldn't do it.
I suppose if they demanded an offensive change and Les knew it, and still retained Cam, despite their warnings, he should have expected to be canned.
quote:bullshite! The LSU Administration handled that crap badly last season.....every coach in the country knew what Les had to do to save his job this year. LSU was more than patient with Les till the change had to be made.
It could have been handled much better (and believe me, we know about shitty handling of a coach's firing [Sherman]). Now, the optic to coaching candidates is that LSU won't even let you finish the season. It gives the appearance that LSU has unrealistic expectations.
quote:They let Les hang himself. The Administration knew/knows LSU needs fresh blood and Les was old school and proved he couldn't evolve.
They should have demanded that Les get a new offensive coordinator or be shown the door, at the end of last season. They screwed up both the management of Les and timing of his dismissal.
quote:Coach O has rallied the troops, he's bringing fire and excitement to a fan base that no doubt would have been pissed and totally apathetic if Les been allowed to come home in the wake of that AU loss. Can you imagine the poor crowd that would show up for that Mizzou game this Saturday if Les/Cam were walking the sidelines?
Now, the season is a wash and apathy looms. Major sports media will largely ignore LSU football for the next 2-3 months. It amounts to a near full season without LSU football. And Aggys know better than anyone about how one absent football season can completely destroy a program's momentum.
quote:The only sensible statement in your entire post.
The good news is LSU is fricking LSU, and can bounce back quickly, IF they hire the right coach.
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