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Was Bama's front 7 just more talented than LSU's blockers?
Posted on 11/11/15 at 11:40 am
Posted on 11/11/15 at 11:40 am
Nobody was saying it before the game, but this article surprised me a little.
But before LSU fans jump off the ledge, there's this:
I guess the bottom line is: Auburn, Florida, South Carolina, and MSU should feel really bad because those blockers in front of Fournette that mauled your fronts isn't really that talented after all.
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There is some disparity between LSU’s starters in its run-heavy I-formation, one-tight end set and Bama’s starters in its run package defense.
All seven of Bama’s starting defenders in that group were ranked in the top 10 at their position out of high school. Four of the seven were in the top 5.
LSU’s five offensive linemen and starting tight end Colin Jeter and fullback Bry’Kiethon Mouton pale in comparison. Just three of those seven were ranked in the top 10 at their position out of high school.
But before LSU fans jump off the ledge, there's this:
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That’s on the way to changing, though, said Shea Dixon, who covers LSU recruiting for 247Sports. New offensive line coach Jeff Grimes signed five linemen last season, three of those in the top 6 nationally at their position.
So, that surprising domination Saturday will be a thing of the past? Maybe.
“We’ve never seen the depth at offensive line that LSU has now with (Maea) Teuhema and (Toby) Weathersby and Clapp,” Dixon said.
I guess the bottom line is: Auburn, Florida, South Carolina, and MSU should feel really bad because those blockers in front of Fournette that mauled your fronts isn't really that talented after all.
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Posted on 11/11/15 at 11:48 am to RidiculousHype
Y'all got the Clapp
Posted on 11/11/15 at 11:53 am to RidiculousHype
Just stop. We get it. Next year will be the year. Eventually we're doomed, and you all will be validated.
Posted on 11/11/15 at 11:53 am to RidiculousHype
adorable quotes from Shea at the end there. hehehe
Posted on 11/11/15 at 11:53 am to RidiculousHype
All we heard for two weeks was how this is the greatest OL ever. Or maybe they said in the SEC.
Posted on 11/11/15 at 12:00 pm to RidiculousHype
I'd like to see a comparison of Ole Miss linemen. They have one great lineman; I don't know about the rest, but I'd guess LSU's linemen were about as highly ranked or better in high school. Even if bama's front 7 is more talented than LSU's blockers, they aren't that much better. They were hungrier and more disciplined. bama's defense takes on the personality of their head coach; LSU offense takes on the personality of its head coach.
Posted on 11/11/15 at 12:06 pm to RidiculousHype
Alabama has by far the best power run defensive talent in the country.
They are so good and so specialized that some of their players don't even get to play most of the time, just against power run teams. This is why hunh spread is so effective against Alabama. Spread formations force Alabama to use smaller faster personnel (where Alabama's recruiting edge is diminished) And the HUNH can catch Alabama for a big play if they ever have the wrong personnel on the field. This is why Saban hates HUNH and wanted to change the rules for "safety"
It's also why Alabama can look like the best team in the country against teams like LSU, Georgia, and Wisconsin. But lose at home to Ole Miss. LSU in particular is to blame for making Alabama consistently in the national conversation these past 5-10 years. LSU has amazing talent, and with this talent advantage they can run an out of date offense and still overpower almost all of their opponents, and then go and lose to Alabama. Alabama is continually being propped up by these wins against power run teams, but now that there is a playoff Alabama has to beat two national teams.
What this all means is Alabama is going to continue being the SEC representative in the playoff, and they are going to continue losing the playoff. Alabama's superior reputation and dominance in power rush defense can't win them games against teams with similar talent who don't run cave man offense. It's football, so Alabama has a decent shot at winning a game, but two games is almost always going to be more kryptonite exposure than Bama can handle.
They are so good and so specialized that some of their players don't even get to play most of the time, just against power run teams. This is why hunh spread is so effective against Alabama. Spread formations force Alabama to use smaller faster personnel (where Alabama's recruiting edge is diminished) And the HUNH can catch Alabama for a big play if they ever have the wrong personnel on the field. This is why Saban hates HUNH and wanted to change the rules for "safety"
It's also why Alabama can look like the best team in the country against teams like LSU, Georgia, and Wisconsin. But lose at home to Ole Miss. LSU in particular is to blame for making Alabama consistently in the national conversation these past 5-10 years. LSU has amazing talent, and with this talent advantage they can run an out of date offense and still overpower almost all of their opponents, and then go and lose to Alabama. Alabama is continually being propped up by these wins against power run teams, but now that there is a playoff Alabama has to beat two national teams.
What this all means is Alabama is going to continue being the SEC representative in the playoff, and they are going to continue losing the playoff. Alabama's superior reputation and dominance in power rush defense can't win them games against teams with similar talent who don't run cave man offense. It's football, so Alabama has a decent shot at winning a game, but two games is almost always going to be more kryptonite exposure than Bama can handle.
Posted on 11/11/15 at 12:15 pm to BearBait09
I'm sure that's nice for the LSU faithful to hear but until you get a decent passing game Saban will shut you down. Mettenburg (sp?) was the only QB you've had in the last 5 years to score a decent amount of points on us. With Mett you gave us a game. The only time it was close is when our offense sucked too. So, get a QB or get your arse kicked.
Posted on 11/11/15 at 12:20 pm to BearBait09
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LSU in particular is to blame for making Alabama consistently in the national conversation these past 5-10 years
Yea, that plus winning 3 SEC Championships and beating 2 non-LSU teams in national championship games.
But other than that, yep. LSU is the only reason this whole Alabama sham has existed for 10 years! Thanks LSU!
Posted on 11/11/15 at 12:23 pm to BearBait09
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It's also why Alabama can look like the best team in the country against teams like LSU, Georgia, and Wisconsin. But lose at home to Ole Miss.
Agree, and it's still lost on many people.
This post was edited on 11/11/15 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 11/11/15 at 12:25 pm to BearBait09
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LSU in particular is to blame for making Alabama consistently in the national conversation these past 5-10 years.
No.
Nick Saban is the reason.
If Saban were at Auburn, Auburn would be in the mix every year. If he were at Florida, then Florida every year, etc....
Posted on 11/11/15 at 12:25 pm to BearBait09
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LSU in particular is to blame for making Alabama consistently in the national conversation these past 5-10 years.
Funny thing is Ole Miss had the opportunity to keep Bama from playing in the playoffs the last 2 years, not LSU. All y'all had to do is take that awesome spread offense, which only beat us by 6 points, and win out. Don't blame LSU for y'alls ineptness. Man up and take responsibility. One game doesn't a season make.
Posted on 11/11/15 at 12:26 pm to nc14
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All we heard for two weeks was how this is the greatest OL ever. Or maybe they said in the SEC.
Quite a few of us were taken in by that propaganda too.
Posted on 11/11/15 at 12:29 pm to RidiculousHype
Yes.
And also, it was just too cluttered at the line. Too many bodies. Against other teams, LSU can push defensive lines back 2-3 yards and there's just a lot of space for our backs to operate.
Against Alabama, there was no push. Alabama even pushed us back a yard or two in a lot of cases. When you consider that there were also about 12-13 bodies right near the line of scrimmage at all times, there was just no where to go.
The way to run on Alabama is to spread them out. Not that they were stacking the box against us, but having 6-7 blockers AND a fullback ourselves who were basically in Fournette's way didn't really help.
And also, it was just too cluttered at the line. Too many bodies. Against other teams, LSU can push defensive lines back 2-3 yards and there's just a lot of space for our backs to operate.
Against Alabama, there was no push. Alabama even pushed us back a yard or two in a lot of cases. When you consider that there were also about 12-13 bodies right near the line of scrimmage at all times, there was just no where to go.
The way to run on Alabama is to spread them out. Not that they were stacking the box against us, but having 6-7 blockers AND a fullback ourselves who were basically in Fournette's way didn't really help.
Posted on 11/11/15 at 12:30 pm to BearBait09
Continue losing the playoff? We lost one time to the eventual national champions who were/are about as loaded as we are that has a historically great coach of their own. You're not going to win it all every year.
Posted on 11/11/15 at 12:31 pm to Bama3714
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You're not going to win it all every year.
What?
Posted on 11/11/15 at 12:32 pm to BayouBengals03
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The way to run on Alabama is to spread them out.
The only teams that has run for a bunch of yards on us the last...........5 years? are Ohio State in 2014 and Auburn in 2013. That's really it.
And this DL is much better (and athletic) than either of those.
This post was edited on 11/11/15 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 11/11/15 at 12:32 pm to cyogi
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o.
Nick Saban is the reason.
If Saban were at Auburn, Auburn would be in the mix every year. If he were at Florida, then Florida every year, etc....
He's not the only coach we've had that has owned CFB. We've had 3 with a few pretty good ones mixed in.
Posted on 11/11/15 at 12:35 pm to BearBait09
Ole Miss got lucky dimmy. you had 92 yards at halftime, then you got a 75 yard luck play and a 70 yard illegal play....
Go to the corner.
Go to the corner.
Posted on 11/11/15 at 12:42 pm to RidiculousHype
Yes. However it bears noting that LSU starts 2 freshmen on the OL and a third is their number one sub. Along with several other freshmen who are redshirting it does appear the OL could be incredible in the years to come. Only one senior amongst the top ten OL. It should be stated that having lost the starting tight end and fullback, both of whom are devastating blockers, certainly has lessened the Tigers ability to control the line of scrimmage. Having those two guys would have helped against 'Bams but well-executed play-action passes was what was missed the most, IMHO. 
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