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Posted on 8/30/16 at 11:11 am to
Posted by Old Sarge
Dean of Admissions, LSU
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Posted on 8/30/16 at 11:11 am to
Great everywhere but the top of the end zones
Posted by Cooter Davenport
Austin, TX
Member since Apr 2012
9006 posts
Posted on 8/30/16 at 11:35 am to
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It's sure as shite louder than before b/c there are a hell of a lot more people at each game.


It's not. It was louder back in the 80's-90's. We have more seats now, but they're filled with much less rabid people.

- Our fanbase was younger then. Along with the overall "graying" of America, our fans have become a lot older on average then they were back then. Old people do not make for loud fans.

- Related to the above in a way, the cost of tickets has skyrocketed. Way, way, beyond inflation. This makes it harder for rabid but not rich fans to attend games and skews the crowd toward older, more well-heeled, and thus sedate fans. Who are not as loud.

- Crowd intensity is proportional to defensive performance. Crowds feed off of good defenses, which in turn feeds back into the defense. Our defenses have been meh to terrible. Thus, our crowds have been quiet.

The last two times we had legitimately game-changingly loud crowds were the OU & NU games in 2010. We had a decent defense that year. Before those games, the last time it had been that loud was OU in 2002. That's 8 years between loud games. That means we are due for a loud game in another 2 years. It was routinely as loud as OU '02 in the '80s and '90s.
This post was edited on 8/30/16 at 11:43 am
Posted by TigerFanNKaty
texas
Member since Sep 2008
10232 posts
Posted on 8/30/16 at 11:56 am to
Doesn't matter it's going to be hot if there are no showers forecasted. It's been mild lately for this time of the year around here because we've been getting a lot of rain. UCLA will suffer if the temps get mid 90s again.
Posted by UCLABRUIN
California
Member since Aug 2016
78 posts
Posted on 8/30/16 at 12:25 pm to
Aggies seem deep on defense like that of UCLA and both teams come in healthy. This might be a defensive struggle, will Garrett get to Rosen? I hope not. I look for help on the left side of the line, Miller will have to hold off your R DE one on one.

Your OLine does not seem deep like that of UCLA as I hear the Aggies are starting a freshman at guard. I know you goes have Kirk and he is very dangerous once he gets the ball. UCLA has some speed and a true freshman will make his debut at the slot at some point during the game, though I have not seen this kid play I am not comparing him to Kirk so I think TAMU has the edge here.

QB I give the edge to Rosen, is not only talented but very smart though he does try dangerous pass at times but that was early on last year.

RB's now I will put UCLA running backs up against that of any team in the SEC or any conference. We have two 5 star backs both strong Soso being the quickest. I know you will knock Nate as a 4 star but he only lost the 5 star due to personal issue not on talent. Than there is Bolo, not sure how he only got a 3 star he is very good and leading these backs at times will be 6'3" 295lb FB, they call him the bowling ball, he likes to hit and he can move.

Offense, UCLA is not going to be lining up strictly out of the huddle. UCLA did hold over Mazzone's plays and will run them. UCLA will also use tight ends, this was a pleasant surprise on what UCLA was able to convert as effective TE as we are still recruiting that position, the walk on from SC is better than expected and will play than there is Iese, this poor kid was lost in Noel's offense, big bruising kid. Loves his home as TE, LB will be tough to guard him. what we really like about this offense is the better use of screen plays so hopefully (not really) the Aggies solved the over pursuit thing. They will huddle but based on the crowd noise I am thinking no huddle and silent counts. I heard they will be working on crowd noise Wed and Thursday before they hop on the plane. UCLA will have its walk through in College Station and try to get acclimated to the weather, heard rain is in the forecast for Friday.

Special teams, big question mark for UCLA, they look solid in practice but that is just practice neither 3 of these kids every played a game in college let alone in front of 100K stadium that will be packed. Edge aggies.

Of course I am going to say UCLA will come out with a win. Though not that big of a homer to say win going away or by double digits. I will be shocked if either team wins by double digits. I am picking UCLA 21-20.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
79974 posts
Posted on 8/30/16 at 12:59 pm to
Daeshon Hall, our other starting DE, had 53 tackles, 14.5 TFL, 7 sacks, and 2 forced fumbles last season.
Posted by Aggie Fishfinder
Republic of Texas
Member since Feb 2012
4260 posts
Posted on 8/30/16 at 1:00 pm to
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"After about 50k people, it all sounds about the same," UCLA QB Josh Rosen says about anticipating crowd noise at Kyle Field.


We are going to remember this this weekend. What is the biggest road crowd Rosen has played against?
Posted by UCLABRUIN
California
Member since Aug 2016
78 posts
Posted on 8/30/16 at 1:09 pm to
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e are going to remember this this weekend. What is the biggest road crowd Rosen has played against?


He hasn't loudest crowd is Autzen stadium and hasn't played there yet and that is 48K. Rose Bowl can get loud, truthfully Rosen may not be intimidated by noise but he knows it can cause issues at the LOS.
Posted by Realistic Ag
Member since Jun 2014
1894 posts
Posted on 8/30/16 at 1:37 pm to
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What is the biggest road crowd Rosen has played against?

83k at USC (lost 40-21)
Posted by UCLABRUIN
California
Member since Aug 2016
78 posts
Posted on 8/30/16 at 1:42 pm to
however you are so far from the field its not that bad.
Posted by oman
Dallas
Member since Sep 2014
3280 posts
Posted on 8/30/16 at 1:43 pm to
Stanford has beaten UCLA 8 times in a row with no crowd. If A&M kicks UCLA in the teeth the first few series, UCLA will fold.

If UCLA hangs with A&M, it means they have finally gotten their pubic hairs and are ready to man up.
Posted by Cooter Davenport
Austin, TX
Member since Apr 2012
9006 posts
Posted on 8/30/16 at 1:47 pm to
Everyone sleeps on Daedae. Opposing fans and opposing teams. It's Myles, Myles, Myles right up until the snap and then they're like OMG who is this guy on the other side; he's about the same?!
Posted by Spirit Of Aggieland
Houston
Member since Aug 2011
4607 posts
Posted on 8/30/16 at 1:49 pm to
I think it is a really intriguing matchup. And it's probably going to be a defensive struggle. Running the ball will be important for both teams

Turnover margin will be a major factor. As is usually the case...
Posted by CoachDon
Louisville
Member since Sep 2014
12409 posts
Posted on 8/30/16 at 1:52 pm to
ATM due to home field.
Posted by UCLABRUIN
California
Member since Aug 2016
78 posts
Posted on 8/30/16 at 1:53 pm to
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Need to just put Koda Martin on that side as the inline TE and let Knight and the RBs go to work.


Just to correct your miss givings from the A&M private board, Goodman is still at UCLA as a Safety, and Mazzone does not use TE so unless he can catch and gives you an advantage other wideouts don't I see him sitting pine, unless Sumlin has input on the play book and play calling.

We had Fauria but he lined up wide as the dude was 6'8" and out jumped any DB/S guy was money for Hundley. Duarte also was used as a big wide out that could catch just about anything. Under Mazzone offense your WRs need to know how to block.
This post was edited on 8/30/16 at 2:29 pm
Posted by Gradual_Stroke
Bee Cave, TX
Member since Oct 2012
20917 posts
Posted on 8/30/16 at 1:55 pm to
That's the least condescending thing you've ever posted wrt A&M
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
60119 posts
Posted on 8/30/16 at 1:57 pm to
This is Wild Thang IMO
Posted by Ag Zwin
Member since Mar 2016
19911 posts
Posted on 8/30/16 at 2:22 pm to
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It's not. It was louder back in the 80's-90's. We have more seats now, but they're filled with much less rabid people.



It was consistently louder in the 80's.

I will be first to admit, though, that this is not all on the students. Alum have indeed gotten more complacent than my first few years out of school in the early 90's.

Old Ags need to step up their game stop being such poons.
This post was edited on 8/30/16 at 2:25 pm
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
58035 posts
Posted on 8/30/16 at 2:24 pm to
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It's not. It was louder back in the 80's-90's. We have more seats now, but they're filled with much less rabid people.


No, I'm sorry but you are wrong and blinded by good old days syndrome.

My family has had season tickets my entire life. My first game I was only a few weeks old and I've been to nearly every home game since. It's not a stretch to say that I have been to over 200 home games in my life. I essentially grew up at Kyle through the rise of Jackie, the domination and decline of RC, the debacle of Fran, the welp at least he's a nice guy of Sherman, and the sparkle and fade of Sumlin.

As much as people looooooovvvvvve to say how faithful and passionate Aggies are about football the truth is that up until fairly recently we rarely sold out the stadium. The only two games that you could count on to have a shot at a sellout were Texas and LSU and even then it wasn't always a lock. It was a normal occurrence to have crowds in the of 55k and sometimes it would even fall down to the as low as 45k. You can't even blame the private schools in the SWC for attendance numbers that fell below capacity. Games against ranked opponents were often not completely full. The numbers look even worse when you stop and consider that not every game was televised and the 70-72k capacity wasn't even a hard cap on attendance. You could get as many as 77-82k when temporary seats were added in the south endzone and along the sidelines. Hell, up until The Zone was built the horseshoe and the third deck of the student section could easily be counted on to have scores of empty seats when it wasn't Texas, LSU, and occasionally Tech & Arkansas. You can even check the attendance records if you want. The 80's start on page 38 of this PDF. LINK

Saying the fanbase was younger and more energized is bull pucky as well. The number of students sitting in the student section has grown quite a bit from what it used to be. They couldn't stick upwards of 30k students in the stadium then b/c the school only had about 35 students total. For the last 15 years we've had 45-50k students on campus which has gradually caused the fanbase actually get younger overall.

Also, the people sitting on the alumni side are absolutely younger than they were years ago. Why is that? It's b/c there more alumni than ever who want choice seats and a ton of olds got booted from their spots when the stadium was redone. Remember the people who were pissed about losing seats and were suing? That wasn't just b/c they were mad the prices went up, it was b/c a good portion of them were from families that had donated large sums for the '79 expansion in a deal that was supposed to give them those seats for life. Once the stadium was redone A&M decided the old seats no longer existed and those people no longer had the points needed to keep their same general seats unless they ponied up another huge donation. That caused the alumni side to experience a huge changeover that has clearly pushed out a lot of the older folk and brought in quite a few younger folk in their 30-40s. You see far less blue hairs toddling around w/fat old husbands than you used to.

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- Related to the above in a way, the cost of tickets has skyrocketed. Way, way, beyond inflation. This makes it harder for rabid but not rich fans to attend games and skews the crowd toward older, more well-heeled, and thus sedate fans. Who are not as loud.


Again, this is simply incorrect. I can simply look around my section and at the folks inside the Legacy and All-American clubs. The Legacy area is where the bulk of the super old I'm not standing anymore types dwell and even then it's nowhere near what it used to be w/that mentality.

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- Crowd intensity is proportional to defensive performance. Crowds feed off of good defenses, which in turn feeds back into the defense. Our defenses have been meh to terrible. Thus, our crowds have been quiet.


Wrong. Crowd intensity is proportional to a close competitive performance vs good competition. I've been to all kinds of games. High scoring and low. Top five opponents and teams Joe Shmoe might have never heard of. If it's a close back and forth contest vs a rival opponent/really good team people are always loud. I was at every single one of the games you mentioned and while they are good examples of great crowds it's simply not the case that we were always as crazy loud or that we haven't hit noise levels like it since. Have you not been to the stadium recently? The final game w/Texas was as intense as I've ever seen the crowd. Do you not hear how loud and into it the stadium now gets for the Kanye intro? I even see blue hair old farts are getting into it now. Were you not there to feel people going nuts vs Alabama or Auburn when it seemed like Johnny might actually bring us back in 2013? Did you not hear the crowd (pissed that RSJ was booted) explode when we beat down the Dak Attack?

I'm sorry but so say it's 8 years between loud games is just false. Losing a game does not mean the crowd had no effect or that it wasn't loud enough. We've had plenty of big wins games the crowd was plenty loud for in recent years (Florida/Arkansas '12, Bama/Auburn/Moo '13, Mizzou/LSU '14, Moo '15) and others that were loud early (Mizzou '12, Rice '13, Ole Miss '14) but things cooled off once the game got out of hand one way or the other.

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It was routinely as loud as OU '02 in the '80s and '90s


No. It was not routinely that loud b/c back then we might have 1 MAYBE 2 games in a given season that hit capacity. There is simply no way a crowd of 58k vs #9 Arkansas'85 or 58k vs #10 Washington'86 in an open ended horseshoe was as loud as a game like ones vs Auburn'13 w/87k or Miss State '15 w/104k in a completely closed stadium? Come on now.

It was not consistently louder in the 80s b/c back then we consistently had 60k or fewer people in the stadium. Anyone that thinks that is suffering from good old days syndrome and nostalgic feelings of past youth.
This post was edited on 8/30/16 at 2:27 pm
Posted by UCLABRUIN
California
Member since Aug 2016
78 posts
Posted on 8/30/16 at 2:33 pm to
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Top five opponents and teams Joe Shmoe might have never heard of.


one of the best one liners I have read in a long time.
Posted by Cooter Davenport
Austin, TX
Member since Apr 2012
9006 posts
Posted on 8/30/16 at 2:40 pm to
I definitely don't put it on the students.

Back in the 80s the former student side was as into it as the students. Our former students now are old, entitled, hand-sitters. Back then, our fanbase was younger and tickets were CHEAP, so the rowdy common man could afford to come and not just the millionaires. We've become what we made fun of the Sips for being.
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