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Posted on 5/29/15 at 9:40 pm to Old Hellen Yeller
Posted on 5/29/15 at 9:40 pm to Old Hellen Yeller
What's not so unbelievable is the hate for Bama is so strong fans in the SEC are living vicariously through a team they couldn't give two rips about. If all these folks supported UAB football they would have a 200K seat stadium. When UAB brings football back it will go back to being a non-issue until everybody finds another Bama complaint
Shows who the football program is in this league.
Shows who the football program is in this league.
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Posted on 5/29/15 at 10:13 pm to 14&Counting
75 million? Where did you pull that number out? How is a supposed 3 million a year deficit (all to scholarships) = to 75 million?
UAB athletic department with football in CUSA = 3 mil deficit for the football program. Around 9-10 mil expenses, 6-7 mil revenue previous years (which were the worst seasons ever other than 2014).
UAB athletic department without football in MVC = 3 mil deficit since they lose the CUSA revenue and travel costs are higher.
If the fooball program deficit is covered for 5 years at a minimum by donors in just a month of fundraising, how is it any skin off your back to reinstate the program?
Please don't just make up numbers to support some bad argument. Those big "50 million" number arguments you kept hearing when it was initially killed were baloney. Half of that was going to go towards the football deficit which was waaaaay over projected according to all other reports. The other half was going to go towards football facilities and to other non football facilities. Yes, they lumped everything in with football to make it look far worse to the public for the announcement. You might've noticed that UAB's cost of attendance is over 5,000$ for some unknown reason. Not to mention they started a bunch of non revenue sports to replace football.
"Guys, let's kill the football program because it is going to cost actual money to build some facilities for once. Let's not like, you know, start a fund raising campaign or anything like a normal university. Let's just monumentally make everyone angry. Good idea!"
UAB athletic department with football in CUSA = 3 mil deficit for the football program. Around 9-10 mil expenses, 6-7 mil revenue previous years (which were the worst seasons ever other than 2014).
UAB athletic department without football in MVC = 3 mil deficit since they lose the CUSA revenue and travel costs are higher.
If the fooball program deficit is covered for 5 years at a minimum by donors in just a month of fundraising, how is it any skin off your back to reinstate the program?
Please don't just make up numbers to support some bad argument. Those big "50 million" number arguments you kept hearing when it was initially killed were baloney. Half of that was going to go towards the football deficit which was waaaaay over projected according to all other reports. The other half was going to go towards football facilities and to other non football facilities. Yes, they lumped everything in with football to make it look far worse to the public for the announcement. You might've noticed that UAB's cost of attendance is over 5,000$ for some unknown reason. Not to mention they started a bunch of non revenue sports to replace football.
"Guys, let's kill the football program because it is going to cost actual money to build some facilities for once. Let's not like, you know, start a fund raising campaign or anything like a normal university. Let's just monumentally make everyone angry. Good idea!"
This post was edited on 5/29/15 at 10:31 pm
Posted on 5/29/15 at 10:57 pm to Roses of Crimson
I say free UAB. Move the medical school BACK to the main campus. Then force the school to repay the untold amount of money that has been invested into the school over the years. Then, like the rest of that shithole of a city, they'll spend the next century digging themselves out of a hole and picking up the broken crockery.
This is all a ridiculous argument. UAB had no business fielding a football program in the first place. Any half-brained, business minded person knew and could see this was a failed operation and the right decision was made to pull the plug. There is no conspiracy theory behind it and no one was out to get that program because the only threat it posed was flushing money down the toilet.
Yes, it is sad for the TRUE FANS AND PLAYERS. However, at the end of the day, it was a smart business move that happens each and every day. UAB was a victim of its own misfortunes. If I'm a booster/investor, would I want to continue pumping money into an operation that was destined for doom from the start? No. Would I want to continue pumping money into a business that was continued to lose profit especially with the economy in the shape that it's in? No.
You can point fingers all you want, but you DID NOT consistently do enough to turn any heads or change any minds and that's no one's fault but your own. Anyone who can't see this is obviously a homer or delusional. You can blame others for your own misfortunes, but again, this is no one's fault but your own. It's laughable that this is even a heated subject considering if it happened anywhere else, it would have been considered a smart business move.
This is all a ridiculous argument. UAB had no business fielding a football program in the first place. Any half-brained, business minded person knew and could see this was a failed operation and the right decision was made to pull the plug. There is no conspiracy theory behind it and no one was out to get that program because the only threat it posed was flushing money down the toilet.
Yes, it is sad for the TRUE FANS AND PLAYERS. However, at the end of the day, it was a smart business move that happens each and every day. UAB was a victim of its own misfortunes. If I'm a booster/investor, would I want to continue pumping money into an operation that was destined for doom from the start? No. Would I want to continue pumping money into a business that was continued to lose profit especially with the economy in the shape that it's in? No.
You can point fingers all you want, but you DID NOT consistently do enough to turn any heads or change any minds and that's no one's fault but your own. Anyone who can't see this is obviously a homer or delusional. You can blame others for your own misfortunes, but again, this is no one's fault but your own. It's laughable that this is even a heated subject considering if it happened anywhere else, it would have been considered a smart business move.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 11:32 pm to BradPitt
The only reason it's even being discussed at all is because of people's desire to paint The University of Alabama in a bad light. UAB's football program is and always has been completely irrelevant in the state of Alabama.
Had this happened to a satellite school of any other school in the conference, nobody would have given two shits. The fact that it's Alabama has everyone with their pitchforks ready to go to war.
And then still not attend any games once it gets reinstated.
Had this happened to a satellite school of any other school in the conference, nobody would have given two shits. The fact that it's Alabama has everyone with their pitchforks ready to go to war.
And then still not attend any games once it gets reinstated.
This post was edited on 5/29/15 at 11:32 pm
Posted on 5/29/15 at 11:45 pm to Tuscaloosa
Bama fans egos are pathetic. You'd think you were on the team the last 100 teams and winning shite yourself.
Not everything is about Bama. Nobody gives a shite about you at the end of the day. Odd that literally only Bama fans are on the side of killing and leaving dead UABs football program, huh? I guess that the entire world is out to get Bama football
Not everything is about Bama. Nobody gives a shite about you at the end of the day. Odd that literally only Bama fans are on the side of killing and leaving dead UABs football program, huh? I guess that the entire world is out to get Bama football
This post was edited on 5/30/15 at 12:11 am
Posted on 5/29/15 at 11:52 pm to BowlJackson
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Not everything is about Bama. Nobody gives a shite about you at the end of the day. I guess that the entire world is out to get Bama football
This is one of the most ironic statements I've ever read on a message board.
I think it's more odd that so many Auburn fans all of a sudden give a shite about UAB. Are you telling me it's just a coincidence? All these Auburn fans have always supported UAB and followed their football program?
Posted on 5/29/15 at 11:54 pm to AU24
Almost not even worth it now
They'll have to start over
They'll have to start over
Posted on 5/30/15 at 12:09 am to Tuscaloosa
Idk about the rest of them but I have. I've said it many times on here even before all this started.
Maybe Auburn fans just have more cause to stick up for UAB with it being close to home, living in Alabama.
Of course Bama fans won't because you'd ride the UA AD's dick all the way to the Middle East to fight for ISIS if they thought it was a good idea.
It's pretty obvious to see when you aren't blinded by trying to pretend like the football team you're a fan of is always right.
ETA:
I like how you also conveniently deleted a sentence right out of the middle of what you quoted from me about how literally only Bama fans are taking Bama's stance, and then try to pretend like only Auburn fans are sticking up for UAB
Maybe Auburn fans just have more cause to stick up for UAB with it being close to home, living in Alabama.
Of course Bama fans won't because you'd ride the UA AD's dick all the way to the Middle East to fight for ISIS if they thought it was a good idea.
It's pretty obvious to see when you aren't blinded by trying to pretend like the football team you're a fan of is always right.
ETA:
I like how you also conveniently deleted a sentence right out of the middle of what you quoted from me about how literally only Bama fans are taking Bama's stance, and then try to pretend like only Auburn fans are sticking up for UAB
This post was edited on 5/30/15 at 12:13 am
Posted on 5/30/15 at 12:11 am to BowlJackson
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Of course Bama fans won't because you'd ride the UA AD's dick all the way to the Middle East to fight for ISIS if they thought it was a good idea.
Allahu akbar, bitches.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 12:16 am to AU24
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This tweet comes from Birmingham radio host Tony Kurre who is a big UAB guy
And by big UAB guy you mean radio host from up north who claims UAB to make the morning show seem even.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 12:19 am to BowlJackson
Why does anyone care? Honestly.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 12:21 am to BradPitt
Sorry, but I just can't agree. You can't start a program and not ever approve any facilities to be built for it EVER and EXPECT it to ever do anything. Same thing with coaching hires. You can't just only approve hires that you know are going to be bad. Why would anyone on earth hire Neil Callaway to be a head football coach? Why would anyone give someone like that an extension? Why would you not hire Jimbo Fisher? Why would you not hire Pat Sullivan? You also can't say that no boosters will donate to the program when people outside have raised 25 million dollars in a month. You are not a UAB fan so of course you wouldn't want to invest in it. There are plenty of other people who do want to see it succeed because they went to school there and like athletics.
Why do La. Tech boosters donate to La. tech?
Why do UTEP boosters donate to UTEP?
Why do Vanderbilt boosters donate to Vanderbilt?
Why does any alum donate to their school?
Because they went to school there and want to see the athletic program succeed. Most programs aren't exactly making bank on their programs. It doesn't mean they should drop them or that by dropping them it won't hinder other parts of the school.
If the university and board actually got behind their program they could easily raise 50-75 million over the course of 5 years for it to build a stadium. Sorry, but in previous years, UAB has never even been allowed the opportunity to fund raise for its football program. Period. You were also not allowed to earmark money for the football program in donations. That is not common practice for other universities.
The problem with UAB football has always been this: When normal programs are having trouble, they are allowed to go out and pick themselves up. Go out and hire a hot name young coach or go out and raise money to build facilities to recruit competitively. UAB has just never been allowed that. They tried that a few times and those attempts were stifled at every turn.
And there was certainly fan apathy. But that is what happens when you run a program that poorly, especially at a G5 school.
Why do La. Tech boosters donate to La. tech?
Why do UTEP boosters donate to UTEP?
Why do Vanderbilt boosters donate to Vanderbilt?
Why does any alum donate to their school?
Because they went to school there and want to see the athletic program succeed. Most programs aren't exactly making bank on their programs. It doesn't mean they should drop them or that by dropping them it won't hinder other parts of the school.
If the university and board actually got behind their program they could easily raise 50-75 million over the course of 5 years for it to build a stadium. Sorry, but in previous years, UAB has never even been allowed the opportunity to fund raise for its football program. Period. You were also not allowed to earmark money for the football program in donations. That is not common practice for other universities.
The problem with UAB football has always been this: When normal programs are having trouble, they are allowed to go out and pick themselves up. Go out and hire a hot name young coach or go out and raise money to build facilities to recruit competitively. UAB has just never been allowed that. They tried that a few times and those attempts were stifled at every turn.
And there was certainly fan apathy. But that is what happens when you run a program that poorly, especially at a G5 school.
This post was edited on 5/30/15 at 12:25 am
Posted on 5/30/15 at 12:27 am to CapstoneGrad06
For me personally, it's because I'm a Birmingham native and I want what's best for the city of Birmingham. What's good for UAB is good for the whole city.
The fricked up sneaking around and back stabbing way it was carried out is what chaps most people's arse about it.
The fricked up sneaking around and back stabbing way it was carried out is what chaps most people's arse about it.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 12:31 am to BowlJackson
And yes, how it was done is the major problem.
If the president came to everyone and was like "Well, guys, we're probably not going to be able to do this football thing. We have a year or two to raise sufficient money or I'm going to have to cut it" then that would at least be acceptable. If it failed, then it failed. At least it would have been honest and transparent. Everything about it has been done incorrectly.
If the president came to everyone and was like "Well, guys, we're probably not going to be able to do this football thing. We have a year or two to raise sufficient money or I'm going to have to cut it" then that would at least be acceptable. If it failed, then it failed. At least it would have been honest and transparent. Everything about it has been done incorrectly.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 12:38 am to BowlJackson
UAB will bring millions to the City regardless.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 12:40 am to dswear
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We have a year or two to raise sufficient money or I'm going to have to cut it" then that would at least be acceptable. If it failed, then it failed.
Being transparent I have only read a few articles and this is my assertion Of the facts.
hasn't it practically failed for the entire existence. Seems there is plenty of data that shows how big of money pit it has been and haven't they had many many years to raise the money. Seems like if you have to threaten to shut it down in order to get the donors donating then IMO it's already too late.
I hope they are able to make it work but past history suggest otherwise.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 12:50 am to spacewrangler
It's only a money pit if you consider giving 85 kids full rides to the school a money pit, even then it is still required to keep conference affiliation. Counting full costs of scholarships against your bottom line is just a joke. It is just no where near what it actually costs you. There have never been facilities built for the football program so there was no cost there. UAB's athletic department hasnt even had facility debt in 5 years. They've barely had ANY facility debt in nearly 10 years.
You make a product for 0.25$ and you charge 2.00$ for it normally. You then give a friend of yours two of those things so that they can go promote your business. You did not just lose 4.00$. You lost 50 cents. The only way you lost 4.00$ is if you have a limited amount of those things and all of those things were guaranteed to sell...which in case of people attending a school that is pretty freaking rare. The only thing that would be at full cost is likely dorms.
And again, reference:
Neil Callaway, Jimbo Fisher, Pat Sullivan, Carol Garrison's stadium proposal, and the most recent 1 million dollar donation refusal to football this past year: LINK
It's hard to say if UAB football really has ever been allowed to even fail on it's own.
You make a product for 0.25$ and you charge 2.00$ for it normally. You then give a friend of yours two of those things so that they can go promote your business. You did not just lose 4.00$. You lost 50 cents. The only way you lost 4.00$ is if you have a limited amount of those things and all of those things were guaranteed to sell...which in case of people attending a school that is pretty freaking rare. The only thing that would be at full cost is likely dorms.
And again, reference:
Neil Callaway, Jimbo Fisher, Pat Sullivan, Carol Garrison's stadium proposal, and the most recent 1 million dollar donation refusal to football this past year: LINK
It's hard to say if UAB football really has ever been allowed to even fail on it's own.
This post was edited on 5/30/15 at 12:53 am
Posted on 5/30/15 at 12:51 am to CapstoneGrad06
It's not about the money directly. It's more about the image of the city. A good UAB football team would rally the city together much like the basketball team has done at times. Probably more so because football>basketball here.
The proposed on campus stadium and the campus improvements it entailed would improve the image of the city and bring one more thing to do in southside. That would also help grow UAB as it would be more like an actual college campus and less like a comuter school. A bigger and better UAB brings more money than just the football program alone does, but a lot of it could be made possible through the football team.
The proposed on campus stadium and the campus improvements it entailed would improve the image of the city and bring one more thing to do in southside. That would also help grow UAB as it would be more like an actual college campus and less like a comuter school. A bigger and better UAB brings more money than just the football program alone does, but a lot of it could be made possible through the football team.
This post was edited on 5/30/15 at 12:54 am
Posted on 5/30/15 at 8:28 am to AU24
I'm a two-time grad. and I could care less. Can we get this shite off this page and onto the MSB?
Posted on 5/30/15 at 9:23 am to Tuscaloosa
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The only reason it's even being discussed at all is because of people's desire to paint The University of Alabama in a bad light. UAB's football program is and always has been completely irrelevant in the state of Alabama.
I do not agree that no one would discuss it. It has been discussed nationally as well. Regardless of UA affiliation, the handling of all this affair has been a giant debacle. It was that youtube video of Ray Watts telling the players -- after announcing the killing of the program --- that he loved UAB more than they did that generated millions of views. I do not get why so many UA fans would get tied up in knots if football comes back to UAB.
All of the football stuff is really secondary to the primary issue, which is that of a really bad UAB Administration.
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