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re: UAB football likely coming back
Posted on 5/29/15 at 3:57 pm to Tuscaloosa
Posted on 5/29/15 at 3:57 pm to Tuscaloosa
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Because The University of Alabama is being painted as some big bad villain because the system's BOT shut down a black hole of a football program that nobody in the state cares about.
UAB's president cancelled football. The System BOT hasn't voted one way or the other as far as I know.
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Posted on 5/29/15 at 4:11 pm to Heresaucer
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Why do you gumps jump on auburn fans over UAB.
Because 1) it was the right decision for a program with no support that hemorrhages money and 2) because UA is being portrayed as some sort of villain when the decision to kill football came from UAB's own president (a UAB alum, no less), and not the board.
The whole thing is preposterous, and you'd be sick of it too if Kentucky had this problem.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 4:21 pm to Old Hellen Yeller
I'll never fully understand some Alabama fans hatred for UAB football, though I have seen plenty of Alabama fans support UAB returning football. UAB's athletic dept. pulls in twice the revenue of South Alabama or Troy and they both keep their programs. Attendance is higher/similar to both of their programs and no one is advocating shutting down their "black holes" or shutting down the black holes of Alabama A&M, Alabama State, JSU, etc who all make tiny revenues and have huge subsidy percentages. If you're against UAB having football or even athletics due to subsidy required then you have to at least be against all of the other schools not named Alabama or Auburn in the state. At least that argument I can understand. It makes sense and I can see the validity of it. The whole "Oh it's UAB and UAB shouldn't have football" argument doesn't really fly on it's own. UAB is better off than every other school in Alabama who isn't Alabama or Auburn due to current conference affiliation.
I get that there are UAB fans who think this is UA causing it, but in reality it is not and that can be a stupid line of thinking. I'm a UAB alumnus and fan who also supports Alabama athletics as many relatives have gone there. However, the UA system bot has been pretty against UAB football from the get-go though and many of the people on that BOT are or were large Alabama boosters. I would think most people would be against having another school's boosters dictating their athletic programs, regardless of your good or bad feelings towards UAB. I don't see how or why anyone would argue that. You can dislike UAB or think the programs are beneath Alabama, but Alabama and UAB still recruit against each other in basketball.
UAB needs to cut some administrative fat from their athletic department as it is one of the most wasteful in CUSA, not shut down one of the two major reasons to have an athletic department at all (football, men's basketball).
At this point if you cut football at UAB: UAB loses CUSA membership guaranteed.
-CUSA makes around 3 million a year for its members.
-MVC makes 500k average a year for its members.
-Travel in the MVC would be up to 1 million dollars more expensive than CUSA due to the distance of all of those schools from UAB.
-The "delta" needed for UAB football sustainability is supposedly around 3 million dollars a year according to the president.
You can look at those numbers alone and see that leaving CUSA for any reason except for a conference step up currently would be stupid (unless you got some mythical invite to the Big East or even A10 for men's BB, neither of which will happen). You lose 3 million and some change annually if you leave CUSA and join the MVC. You would be paying the same amount of money except you would be in a different conference and not have football. You would also have to pay exit and entrance fees to do this...so you lose money. Not to mention all the money already spent shutting it down and all of this PR garbage going. Such a waste. The other conference options (Asun? Sunbelt?) are not viable for the other sports.
Step 1: Reinstate the program using the 25 million in donations. Stay in CUSA. 15 million to cover a 5 year operating deficit. 10+ million to begin building coaches offices and indoor practice facility for all sports.
Step 2: Begin fundraising for 2-5 years for on campus stadium through the big donors. Build stadium.
I get that there are UAB fans who think this is UA causing it, but in reality it is not and that can be a stupid line of thinking. I'm a UAB alumnus and fan who also supports Alabama athletics as many relatives have gone there. However, the UA system bot has been pretty against UAB football from the get-go though and many of the people on that BOT are or were large Alabama boosters. I would think most people would be against having another school's boosters dictating their athletic programs, regardless of your good or bad feelings towards UAB. I don't see how or why anyone would argue that. You can dislike UAB or think the programs are beneath Alabama, but Alabama and UAB still recruit against each other in basketball.
UAB needs to cut some administrative fat from their athletic department as it is one of the most wasteful in CUSA, not shut down one of the two major reasons to have an athletic department at all (football, men's basketball).
At this point if you cut football at UAB: UAB loses CUSA membership guaranteed.
-CUSA makes around 3 million a year for its members.
-MVC makes 500k average a year for its members.
-Travel in the MVC would be up to 1 million dollars more expensive than CUSA due to the distance of all of those schools from UAB.
-The "delta" needed for UAB football sustainability is supposedly around 3 million dollars a year according to the president.
You can look at those numbers alone and see that leaving CUSA for any reason except for a conference step up currently would be stupid (unless you got some mythical invite to the Big East or even A10 for men's BB, neither of which will happen). You lose 3 million and some change annually if you leave CUSA and join the MVC. You would be paying the same amount of money except you would be in a different conference and not have football. You would also have to pay exit and entrance fees to do this...so you lose money. Not to mention all the money already spent shutting it down and all of this PR garbage going. Such a waste. The other conference options (Asun? Sunbelt?) are not viable for the other sports.
Step 1: Reinstate the program using the 25 million in donations. Stay in CUSA. 15 million to cover a 5 year operating deficit. 10+ million to begin building coaches offices and indoor practice facility for all sports.
Step 2: Begin fundraising for 2-5 years for on campus stadium through the big donors. Build stadium.
This post was edited on 5/29/15 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 5/29/15 at 4:42 pm to dswear
Beautifully illustrated points.
I'd just like to add one thing.
This is about money, but CUSA is forcing UAB out without football. Between CUSA exit fees and entrance fees for another conference it'll likely cost around $30 million.
I'd just like to add one thing.
This is about money, but CUSA is forcing UAB out without football. Between CUSA exit fees and entrance fees for another conference it'll likely cost around $30 million.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 4:46 pm to dswear
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If you're against UAB having football or even athletics due to subsidy required then you have to at least be against all of the other schools not named Alabama or Auburn in the state.
I do think more schools should shut their programs down.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 4:49 pm to dswear
I always love getting down-voted for posting factual arguments. Good times.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 5:00 pm to Old Hellen Yeller
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The System BOT hasn't voted one way or the other as far as I know.
Then you clearly don't know anything
Posted on 5/29/15 at 5:05 pm to dswear
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I'll never fully understand some Alabama fans hatred for UAB football
I officially hate UAB football because of the smear campaign against The University of Alabama at the hands of "UAB people" and Auburn & LSU fans who, for some reason, inexplicably picked up their cause. I'm sure it was because they just love UAB sports, and had nothing to do with their hatred of all things Alabama.
So, count me in on the UAB hatred.
Frick UAB.
Frick Auburn.
And frick anyone of the rest of the faux-UAB supporters who are carrying the flag out of their dislike of The University of Alabama.
Before all of this started, I didn't give two shits about UAB or anything they had going on (and neither did anyone else, obviously). But, frick them all now. I hope every single athletic sport they participate in is yanked from them. They have alienated the largest football fan base in the Southeast. Congrats.
This post was edited on 5/29/15 at 5:10 pm
Posted on 5/29/15 at 5:06 pm to blzr
Well please link me where the system voted on killing UAB football. Seriously, I'd like to read about it.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 5:10 pm to Old Hellen Yeller
I'll let you stay ignorant.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 5:11 pm to blzr
You have no link 
Posted on 5/29/15 at 5:15 pm to Tuscaloosa
And I guess therein lies the problem. UAB simply having a problem with the people who are supposed to be their own board of trustees is seen as a "smear campaign against Alabama". Alabama shouldn't in any way be injected into this situation, but both schools operate under the same board.
I understand getting upset that non-UAB people use it as a way to attack the Alabama football program or something, when in reality the UA football program has literally nothing to do with it. However, like we both know, the board is made up of primarily Alabama boosters. I wonder how much money any BOT member has given to the UAB football fundraising campaign.
And for the record, I don't in any way hate the University of Alabama.
I understand getting upset that non-UAB people use it as a way to attack the Alabama football program or something, when in reality the UA football program has literally nothing to do with it. However, like we both know, the board is made up of primarily Alabama boosters. I wonder how much money any BOT member has given to the UAB football fundraising campaign.
And for the record, I don't in any way hate the University of Alabama.
This post was edited on 5/29/15 at 5:17 pm
Posted on 5/29/15 at 5:20 pm to AU24
bama 
Posted on 5/29/15 at 5:32 pm to AU24
What a cluster this has turned into for the Bama BOT. Just ridiculous management.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 5:36 pm to Drizzt
This cluster has been orchestrated, in its entirety, by the office of the President at UAB. Who is a UAB Alum.
Easy to forget that when everything is made out to b UA's fault.
Easy to forget that when everything is made out to b UA's fault.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 5:39 pm to Old Hellen Yeller
If you really believe Lil Bear had nothing to with this, you are not very bright
Posted on 5/29/15 at 5:39 pm to Old Hellen Yeller
Understandable, but look at who hires/fires the president. Look at the various statements from the board. They are really the only people who have been behind this president throughout the ordeal. He should've been dropped months ago.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 5:45 pm to Old Hellen Yeller
There's no way in hell you really believe that.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 5:50 pm to BowlJackson
Well I don't buy into all the Manchurian candidate conspiracy bullshite you guys are into.
This post was edited on 5/29/15 at 5:52 pm
Posted on 5/29/15 at 5:54 pm to Old Hellen Yeller
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Well I don't buy into all the Manchurian candidate conspiracy bullshite you guys are into.
You sound just as stupid, as people on the other extreme other side.
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