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Top returning trios for Sacks and TFLs
Posted on 7/30/15 at 9:31 pm
Posted on 7/30/15 at 9:31 pm
It's not even fair sometimes:
The UGA trio thread on the MB made me curious, so I looked up Sacks/TFL stats for the top returning trio for each school in the SEC, based on 2014 stats. The results are below. The formatting sucks, but Tennessee's top trio of Maggitt, Barnett, and JRM are on a completely different level than the rest of the SEC in terms of production. 23 sacks and 46.5 TFL from those 3 players.
Another thing I though was interesting was Mizzou. People have been railing on how they "reload" every year, but their returning numbers are paltry. I compared them to their 2013 returning stats and there was a tremendous difference. Coming into 2014 their top trio of Ray, Golden, and Vincent had 13.5 sacks and 27 TFL. Going back to 2012, Sam, Ealy, and Hoch had 10 sacks and 21.5 TFL. Clearly those guys didn't come out of nowhere in 2013 and 2014 and I wouldn't expect guys that had a below-basic numbers impact in 2014 (Brother, Dennis, Harris, Hatley, and Augusta) to suddenly become all-SEC defensive players. I think they are going to take a tremendous step backwards on defense in 2015.
Sacks TFL
Tennessee 23 46.5
Alabama 9.5 29.5
Auburn 8 29
Vanderbilt 11 26
Texas A&M 20 25.5
Georgia 15.5 25
Florida 12.5 22.5
Mississippi 13.5 22.5
Mississippi State 8.5 22
LSU 6 19.5
Kentucky 5 18
Arkansas 6 17.5
South Carolina 5 12.5
Missouri 4 12.5
The UGA trio thread on the MB made me curious, so I looked up Sacks/TFL stats for the top returning trio for each school in the SEC, based on 2014 stats. The results are below. The formatting sucks, but Tennessee's top trio of Maggitt, Barnett, and JRM are on a completely different level than the rest of the SEC in terms of production. 23 sacks and 46.5 TFL from those 3 players.
Another thing I though was interesting was Mizzou. People have been railing on how they "reload" every year, but their returning numbers are paltry. I compared them to their 2013 returning stats and there was a tremendous difference. Coming into 2014 their top trio of Ray, Golden, and Vincent had 13.5 sacks and 27 TFL. Going back to 2012, Sam, Ealy, and Hoch had 10 sacks and 21.5 TFL. Clearly those guys didn't come out of nowhere in 2013 and 2014 and I wouldn't expect guys that had a below-basic numbers impact in 2014 (Brother, Dennis, Harris, Hatley, and Augusta) to suddenly become all-SEC defensive players. I think they are going to take a tremendous step backwards on defense in 2015.
Sacks TFL
Tennessee 23 46.5
Alabama 9.5 29.5
Auburn 8 29
Vanderbilt 11 26
Texas A&M 20 25.5
Georgia 15.5 25
Florida 12.5 22.5
Mississippi 13.5 22.5
Mississippi State 8.5 22
LSU 6 19.5
Kentucky 5 18
Arkansas 6 17.5
South Carolina 5 12.5
Missouri 4 12.5
Posted on 7/30/15 at 9:34 pm to Serraneaux
Tennessee's pass rush will be unreal this year and next.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 9:42 pm to Serraneaux
tRant will avoid this thread like the plague
Posted on 7/30/15 at 9:48 pm to Legendary0903
They wonder why we're ranked preseason and picked 2nd in the east by the media yet they avoid threads that tell them why.
Typical children.
Typical children.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 9:56 pm to Serraneaux
VOLS are about to skullfrick the league.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 9:59 pm to Serraneaux
Oh and we are adding the best defensive line class in the country to the mix.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 10:00 pm to Serraneaux
Tennessee d line will be improved along with A&M
Posted on 7/30/15 at 10:03 pm to texag7
No one gives a goddamn about A&M. Start stroking to the Big Orange or get the frick out of this thread.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 10:04 pm to Serraneaux
damn. Aggie is 5 spots higher than LSU!? Imagine what that attacking D is gonna do with their new DC! The SEC is doomed!
Posted on 7/30/15 at 10:05 pm to NorthGAVol
Hey, no circlejerk is complete w/o Aggys
Posted on 7/30/15 at 10:05 pm to NorthGAVol
You know your d is going to be goat when you forget about guys like Corey Vereen and Chris Weatherd coming off the bench, They'd start on at least half the teams in the SEC.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 10:06 pm to Serraneaux
This kind of veers off the exact topic of this thread, but it's the Texags ranking of the SEC's defensive trios:
1. Alabama: DL A’Shawn Robinson, LB Reggie Ragland, DB Cyrus Jones
Alabama is loaded up front. Robinson is the most celebrated lineman, but not necessarily the best; Ragland is the next great Tide linebacker. The secondary is shaky, but Jones is a reliable cover corner.
2. Florida: DL Jonathan Bullard, LB Antonio Morrison, DB Vernon Hargreaves
Hargreaves, a two-time All-SEC selection, is arguably the nation’s best at his position. Morrison is a tackle machine, but must come back strong from a knee injury. The versatile Bullard provides a strong pass rush.
3. Tennessee: DL Derek Barnett, LB Curt Maggitt, DB Cameron Sutton
Tennessee quietly has assembled solid linebacker play, a star sophomore defensive end and a strong secondary heading into 2015.
Maggitt has had to overcome injuries. He’s been very good when he can get on the field; now, he’s healthy. Barnett made a big splash as a true freshman and should be better this season. Sutton, a cornerback, is the best player in a very good secondary.
4. Ole Miss: DL Robert Ndkemdiche, LB Denzel Ndkemdiche, DB Tony Conner
Robert Ndkemdiche doesn’t post gaudy stats. He just wreaks havoc up front that allows teammates to make plays. Conner heads up a solid secondary and is a dependable tackler. The linebacker position could be a point of concern. Denzel Ndkemdiche is back from injury, so that could help.
5. Auburn: DL Carl Lawson, LB Cassanova McKinzy, DB Jonathan Jones
Lawson’s return from injury is a much-needed boost to the line and will help the pass rush. McKinzy is an intimidating presence who looks to build on last season’s performance in which he posted 91 tackles (11 for loss). Jones managed six interceptions in 2014. He was the bright spot in an otherwise dismal secondary.
6. LSU: DL Christian LaCouture, LB Kendall Beckwith, DB Jalen Mills
Beckwith is an active, smart middle linebacker. Mills is a playmaker at corner and just one of several dangerous DBs in the Tigers secondary. LaCouture posted 40 tackles last season. That’s very good for a defensive tackle.
7. Mississippi State: DL Chris Jones, LB Beniquez Brown, DB Will Redmond
Jones didn’t have a big sophomore year, but managed three sacks and 26 tackles from the defensive tackle spot. Brown was the Bulldogs’ second-leading tackler in ’14. Redmond, a cornerback, is a good tackler and had three interceptions last season.
8. Texas A&M: DL Myles Garrett, LB Otaro Alaka, DB Armani Watts
Look for Garrett to be established as the fiercest pass rusher in the nation. Alaka made giant strides a year ago and figures to bring stability at linebacker, where A&M has struggled mightily the last two seasons. Watts showed promise while grabbing three interceptions last season. By the way ... they’re all sophomores.
9. Georgia: DL Sterling Bailey, LB Leonard Floyd, DB Quincy Mauger
Bailey is merely serviceable at end, but Floyd is a pass rushing threat and may not even be Georgia’s best linebacker. That can be up for debate between him and Jordan Jenkins. Mauger is a playmaker who had four interceptions in 2014.
10. Missouri: DL Josh Augusta, LB Kentrell Brothers, DB Aarion Penton
Gary Pinkel may have to lean on the secondary to pick up a Missouri defense that is otherwise counting somewhat on potential.
The loss of DT Harold Brantley to injury is a major setback, but Augusta will ease that somewhat. He’s a hulking run-stopper. Brothers posted 122 tackles last season. Penton is the best of Missouri’s cornerbacks, which may be the position where the Tigers are deepest.
11. Kentucky: DL Melvin Lewis, LB Josh Forrest, DB A.J. Stamps
Big things are expected from Lewis, a 342-pound former junior college transfer. We’ll see if he delivers. Forrest already has delivered — he posted a team-leading 110 tackles in 2014. Stamps is a ballhawk at safety and could move to corner if needed.
12. South Carolina: DL Marquavius Lewis, LB Skai Moore, DB Chris Lammons
Lewis, a junior college transfer, reportedly had a strong spring. The Gamecocks desperately need him to have a strong autumn. Moore is small, but productive. He’s led South Carolina in tackles in each of the previous two seasons. Lammons, a sophomore corner, played well in the second half of last season, but the secondary is a major area of concern.
13. Arkansas: DL JaMichael Winston, LB Brooks Ellis, DB Jared Collins
Ellis emerged as a solid LB last season, but let’s see how he does without departed Martrell Spaight drawing blockers. Winston faces a big task in filling the shoes of departed Trey Flowers. Collins tied for the SEC lead with 13 passes broken up.
14. Vanderbilt: DL Adam Butler, LB Stephen Weatherly, DB Torren McGaster
Butler has good quickness at DT and can make plays in the backfield. Weatherly led the Commodores in sacks last season, but only managed 4.5. Although Vandy’s secondary needs work, McGaster is the most consistent corner.
1. Alabama: DL A’Shawn Robinson, LB Reggie Ragland, DB Cyrus Jones
Alabama is loaded up front. Robinson is the most celebrated lineman, but not necessarily the best; Ragland is the next great Tide linebacker. The secondary is shaky, but Jones is a reliable cover corner.
2. Florida: DL Jonathan Bullard, LB Antonio Morrison, DB Vernon Hargreaves
Hargreaves, a two-time All-SEC selection, is arguably the nation’s best at his position. Morrison is a tackle machine, but must come back strong from a knee injury. The versatile Bullard provides a strong pass rush.
3. Tennessee: DL Derek Barnett, LB Curt Maggitt, DB Cameron Sutton
Tennessee quietly has assembled solid linebacker play, a star sophomore defensive end and a strong secondary heading into 2015.
Maggitt has had to overcome injuries. He’s been very good when he can get on the field; now, he’s healthy. Barnett made a big splash as a true freshman and should be better this season. Sutton, a cornerback, is the best player in a very good secondary.
4. Ole Miss: DL Robert Ndkemdiche, LB Denzel Ndkemdiche, DB Tony Conner
Robert Ndkemdiche doesn’t post gaudy stats. He just wreaks havoc up front that allows teammates to make plays. Conner heads up a solid secondary and is a dependable tackler. The linebacker position could be a point of concern. Denzel Ndkemdiche is back from injury, so that could help.
5. Auburn: DL Carl Lawson, LB Cassanova McKinzy, DB Jonathan Jones
Lawson’s return from injury is a much-needed boost to the line and will help the pass rush. McKinzy is an intimidating presence who looks to build on last season’s performance in which he posted 91 tackles (11 for loss). Jones managed six interceptions in 2014. He was the bright spot in an otherwise dismal secondary.
6. LSU: DL Christian LaCouture, LB Kendall Beckwith, DB Jalen Mills
Beckwith is an active, smart middle linebacker. Mills is a playmaker at corner and just one of several dangerous DBs in the Tigers secondary. LaCouture posted 40 tackles last season. That’s very good for a defensive tackle.
7. Mississippi State: DL Chris Jones, LB Beniquez Brown, DB Will Redmond
Jones didn’t have a big sophomore year, but managed three sacks and 26 tackles from the defensive tackle spot. Brown was the Bulldogs’ second-leading tackler in ’14. Redmond, a cornerback, is a good tackler and had three interceptions last season.
8. Texas A&M: DL Myles Garrett, LB Otaro Alaka, DB Armani Watts
Look for Garrett to be established as the fiercest pass rusher in the nation. Alaka made giant strides a year ago and figures to bring stability at linebacker, where A&M has struggled mightily the last two seasons. Watts showed promise while grabbing three interceptions last season. By the way ... they’re all sophomores.
9. Georgia: DL Sterling Bailey, LB Leonard Floyd, DB Quincy Mauger
Bailey is merely serviceable at end, but Floyd is a pass rushing threat and may not even be Georgia’s best linebacker. That can be up for debate between him and Jordan Jenkins. Mauger is a playmaker who had four interceptions in 2014.
10. Missouri: DL Josh Augusta, LB Kentrell Brothers, DB Aarion Penton
Gary Pinkel may have to lean on the secondary to pick up a Missouri defense that is otherwise counting somewhat on potential.
The loss of DT Harold Brantley to injury is a major setback, but Augusta will ease that somewhat. He’s a hulking run-stopper. Brothers posted 122 tackles last season. Penton is the best of Missouri’s cornerbacks, which may be the position where the Tigers are deepest.
11. Kentucky: DL Melvin Lewis, LB Josh Forrest, DB A.J. Stamps
Big things are expected from Lewis, a 342-pound former junior college transfer. We’ll see if he delivers. Forrest already has delivered — he posted a team-leading 110 tackles in 2014. Stamps is a ballhawk at safety and could move to corner if needed.
12. South Carolina: DL Marquavius Lewis, LB Skai Moore, DB Chris Lammons
Lewis, a junior college transfer, reportedly had a strong spring. The Gamecocks desperately need him to have a strong autumn. Moore is small, but productive. He’s led South Carolina in tackles in each of the previous two seasons. Lammons, a sophomore corner, played well in the second half of last season, but the secondary is a major area of concern.
13. Arkansas: DL JaMichael Winston, LB Brooks Ellis, DB Jared Collins
Ellis emerged as a solid LB last season, but let’s see how he does without departed Martrell Spaight drawing blockers. Winston faces a big task in filling the shoes of departed Trey Flowers. Collins tied for the SEC lead with 13 passes broken up.
14. Vanderbilt: DL Adam Butler, LB Stephen Weatherly, DB Torren McGaster
Butler has good quickness at DT and can make plays in the backfield. Weatherly led the Commodores in sacks last season, but only managed 4.5. Although Vandy’s secondary needs work, McGaster is the most consistent corner.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 10:09 pm to Realistic Ag
Shhhh, vols are talking
Seriously, this post should probably be a thread of its own
Seriously, this post should probably be a thread of its own
Posted on 7/30/15 at 10:12 pm to rockytop627
Seriously.....the simple fact that Vandy, Auburn, and Aggie are in the top 5 of any positive Defensive thread should make you question how great #1 is
Posted on 7/30/15 at 10:12 pm to Realistic Ag
Nice post.
Missouri = F'd.
It all falls apart this year. To the enjoyment of most of the SEC.
Missouri = F'd.
It all falls apart this year. To the enjoyment of most of the SEC.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 10:18 pm to Dlab2013
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Aggie is 5 spots higher than LSU!? Imagine what that attacking D is gonna do with their new DC! The SEC is doomed!
We'd get a TFL on 1st, a sack on 2nd, then get beaten for 30 yards on a wheel route on 3rd.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 7:21 am to Serraneaux
I'm sure this thread will be of interest to the morning crew.
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