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Posted on 7/28/16 at 10:05 am
Posted on 7/28/16 at 10:05 am
While this is not a list previewing the 2017 draft, it does weigh size, speed, athleticism, potential and position priority.
1. Myles Garrett, DE, Texas A&M - Scouting
Garrett has added more muscle to his frame over the last two seasons. He has enough power in his legs to put up a good fight at the point of attack against much bigger offensive tackles. From a production standpoint, it's hard to beat his 22.5 sacks over the last two seasons and high-end pass rushers go very early in the draft. The scary thing is that Garrett has room for improvement as a pass rusher with hand work and stringing together moves and counters.
3. Jalen Tabor, CB, Florida - Scouting
Tabor specializes as a man-cover cornerback who does a great job of reading routes and putting himself in position to consistently make plays on the ball. Just how talented was he on the ball? Out of his 50 targets, he had 19 passes defensed; thanks in large part to his outstanding length and overall athleticism. His tackling needs major work, but he'll eventually get paid to cover NFL receivers, and allowing only one touchdown catch over two seasons will get scouts' attention.
6. Leonard Fournette, RB, LSU (shocked he's not the #1 JR RB) - Scouting
Fournette is a force of nature with a chiseled physique. He runs with intimidating power, and understands when to challenge tackles with brute force and when to show some shake in the open field. Fournette needs to prove he can be used on third downs as a blocker or pass-catcher to solidify his stock.
10. Charles Harris, DE, Missouri
Harris has an urgency about his play that has become par for the course with Missouri edge rushers. What separates him from the zombie-like pursuit motors of former Missouri defensive ends like Markus Golden and Shane Ray is that Harris combines an exceptional burst in his first step with wicked spin moves that gain ground on pass blockers. While his seven sacks from 2015 might not excite some, keep in mind he generated a combined 41 hurries and knockdowns to go with those sacks. Scouts are talking about him. Trust me.
11. Cam Robinson, OT, Alabama
Robinson isn't as clean with his technique as 2016 first-round tackles like Laremy Tunsil or Ronnie Stanley, but he has better size and power potential than both. Robinson took a noticeable step forward as a run blocker using better footwork and showing an effortless ability to operate his combination blocks successfully. From a pass protection standpoint, his footwork continues to improve and should take another step forward in his junior campaign.
https://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000675711/article/top-15-juniors-in-college-football
1. Myles Garrett, DE, Texas A&M - Scouting
Garrett has added more muscle to his frame over the last two seasons. He has enough power in his legs to put up a good fight at the point of attack against much bigger offensive tackles. From a production standpoint, it's hard to beat his 22.5 sacks over the last two seasons and high-end pass rushers go very early in the draft. The scary thing is that Garrett has room for improvement as a pass rusher with hand work and stringing together moves and counters.
3. Jalen Tabor, CB, Florida - Scouting
Tabor specializes as a man-cover cornerback who does a great job of reading routes and putting himself in position to consistently make plays on the ball. Just how talented was he on the ball? Out of his 50 targets, he had 19 passes defensed; thanks in large part to his outstanding length and overall athleticism. His tackling needs major work, but he'll eventually get paid to cover NFL receivers, and allowing only one touchdown catch over two seasons will get scouts' attention.
6. Leonard Fournette, RB, LSU (shocked he's not the #1 JR RB) - Scouting
Fournette is a force of nature with a chiseled physique. He runs with intimidating power, and understands when to challenge tackles with brute force and when to show some shake in the open field. Fournette needs to prove he can be used on third downs as a blocker or pass-catcher to solidify his stock.
10. Charles Harris, DE, Missouri
Harris has an urgency about his play that has become par for the course with Missouri edge rushers. What separates him from the zombie-like pursuit motors of former Missouri defensive ends like Markus Golden and Shane Ray is that Harris combines an exceptional burst in his first step with wicked spin moves that gain ground on pass blockers. While his seven sacks from 2015 might not excite some, keep in mind he generated a combined 41 hurries and knockdowns to go with those sacks. Scouts are talking about him. Trust me.
11. Cam Robinson, OT, Alabama
Robinson isn't as clean with his technique as 2016 first-round tackles like Laremy Tunsil or Ronnie Stanley, but he has better size and power potential than both. Robinson took a noticeable step forward as a run blocker using better footwork and showing an effortless ability to operate his combination blocks successfully. From a pass protection standpoint, his footwork continues to improve and should take another step forward in his junior campaign.
https://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000675711/article/top-15-juniors-in-college-football
This post was edited on 7/28/16 at 10:15 am
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Posted on 7/28/16 at 10:07 am to Farmer1906
Dalvin Cook is very, very good.
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Posted on 7/28/16 at 10:08 am to Farmer1906
Cook over LF is laughable. While he is explosive he's a smaller back that's had injury concerns. I agree with Garrett being #1 though. It's a passing league and you can't get enough freaks at DE to combat it.
Sorry I just wouldn't take a 205lb cook who's had hamstring and shoulder injuries already over the work horse LF.
Sorry I just wouldn't take a 205lb cook who's had hamstring and shoulder injuries already over the work horse LF.
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Posted on 7/28/16 at 10:08 am to Farmer1906
Barnett will be a top 10 overall pick in the NFL Draft, but he isn't a top 15 junior? 
list is shite
list is shitePosted on 7/28/16 at 10:11 am to Farmer1906
I don't agree with Cook over LF as an NFL prospect but I can see how some would come to that conclusion.
The biggest joke of the list is having 4 RB's in the top 9 players. Yes, the class is good, but when ranking prospects for the next level- there will be two RB's go top ten at best, more likely one.
The biggest joke of the list is having 4 RB's in the top 9 players. Yes, the class is good, but when ranking prospects for the next level- there will be two RB's go top ten at best, more likely one.
Posted on 7/28/16 at 10:14 am to Tigerfan56
Cook's vision and wiggle is better than LF, but LF is far more durable. For those who think Cook is small and or weak, he led the nation in yards after contact. He scares the hell out of me, more so than LF. If we played them later in the year after he is dinged up I probably wouldnt feel that way, but out of the gate, he scares the hell out of me.
Posted on 7/28/16 at 10:15 am to Whereisomaha
Added Daniel Jeremiah's first look scouting on a few from the list.
Edit: I found this part interesting.
Seems like the narrative on him from a few on here isn't what the tape shows. Shocking, I know.
Edit: I found this part interesting.
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I was pleasantly surprised with how well he plays against the run. He keeps his pads low to the ground and easily holds the point of attack. He shoots his hands and uses his length to stack blockers consistently. He is outstanding when he's allowed to shoot gaps and attack. He is also productive on the back side because of his motor and speed to close. He is also very adept at playing against cut blocks. He is very rarely on the ground.
Seems like the narrative on him from a few on here isn't what the tape shows. Shocking, I know.
This post was edited on 7/28/16 at 10:18 am
Posted on 7/28/16 at 10:21 am to Farmer1906
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Fournette needs to prove he can be used on third downs as a blocker or pass-catcher to solidify his stock.
They serious?
These are just a couple of catches I remember against ole miss:
0:30 mark
15:25 mark
This post was edited on 7/28/16 at 10:39 am
Posted on 7/28/16 at 10:26 am to Lsuchs
I kind of get the Cook-Fournette thing.
Cook will be dynamite in a modern day NFL offense. He is an electric runner and pass catching threat.
Fournette is great, but teams are going to worry about the hits, the wear and tear and the long term durability of a guy whose game is destroying people. I don't think that means he'll drop past like 10, but I guarantee some teams will have Cook ahead of Fournette on their boards.
Cook will be dynamite in a modern day NFL offense. He is an electric runner and pass catching threat.
Fournette is great, but teams are going to worry about the hits, the wear and tear and the long term durability of a guy whose game is destroying people. I don't think that means he'll drop past like 10, but I guarantee some teams will have Cook ahead of Fournette on their boards.
Posted on 7/28/16 at 10:34 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Fournette is great, but teams are going to worry about the hits, the wear and tear and the long term durability of a guy whose game is destroying people.
Hasn't cook already proven to be less durable, on less carries, in a weaker conference?
Cook is a great player no doubt. My original post was directed at Leonard fournette having questionable hands.
If Muschamp could have kept his shite together at UF the SEC would have had:
- Derrick Henry
- Leonard Fournette
- Dalvin Cook
- Nick Chubb
: all duking it out for best back in the conference that season, while all having an argument to be the best back at their school in 15+ years...
1/4 of the conference (SEC blue bloods at that) all having arguably their best backs in decades at the same time
This post was edited on 7/28/16 at 11:00 am
Posted on 7/28/16 at 11:48 am to Farmer1906
I liked Cook a lot better as a Freshman. He hit the hole at 100 mph and ran like a crazy man. Last year, I thought he tried way too hard to be patient and see the field. Every fricking carry he ran at like half speed (still made people look like fools) and never really seemed to accelerate much in the open field. If Cook goes back to his Freshman running style, I think it's a given for him to be in NYC
Posted on 7/28/16 at 11:50 am to Lsuchs
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Hasn't cook already proven to be less durable, on less carries, in a weaker conference?
Cook will come into the league with 600-665 carries in college. Fournette will come into the league with 750-800 carries in college.
I think LF will be the #1 overall back according to most, but I think certain teams will see Cook as a better fit for them.
They are both great.
Posted on 7/28/16 at 11:51 am to Mizzou59
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I liked Cook a lot better as a Freshman. He hit the hole at 100 mph and ran like a crazy man. Last year, I thought he tried way too hard to be patient and see the field. Every fricking carry he ran at like half speed (still made people look like fools) and never really seemed to accelerate much in the open field. If Cook goes back to his Freshman running style, I think it's a given for him to be in NYC
Cook averaged 7.4 YPC last season. 10.1 vs Miami, 7.4 vs Louisville, 9.2 vs Clemson and 7.0 vs Florida.
He was pretty great last season. If he hadn't gotten hurt I think he probably would have won the Heisman.
Posted on 7/28/16 at 12:37 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Cook will come into the league with 600-665 carries in college. Fournette will come into the league with 750-800 carries in college
Cook only has 88 fewer carries through two years. There's a very good chance this will be false.
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