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re: Time Of Possession Is The Most Overrated Statistic In Football
Posted on 7/28/15 at 12:32 pm to Wild Thang
Posted on 7/28/15 at 12:32 pm to Wild Thang
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Wild Thang
Now that you're here it must be 100% troll
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Posted on 7/28/15 at 12:33 pm to FishFearMe
LSU vs Auburn 2014
3rd Down Eff - 0/13
But it was Chavis!
3rd Down Eff - 0/13
But it was Chavis!
Posted on 7/28/15 at 12:34 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
What kind of logarithms you want to talk about? You want to talk about base 10 or natural logarithms?
Posted on 7/28/15 at 12:34 pm to FishFearMe
More important is having the ability to control the clock late in the half or game. Can a team pick up 1st downs to ice a game away. A lot of teams with low TOP might not be able to do that.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 12:35 pm to FishFearMe
While TOP is certainly a flawed stat it can tell a story regarding how your defense will perform generally. Consider that your TOP was 125 and your total defense was 104. Notable exceptions are Missouri and Ole Miss but they had really good defenses.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 12:37 pm to texag7
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LSU vs Auburn 2014
3rd Down Eff - 0/13
But it was Chavis!
Auburn's first 4 possession went FG, TD, TD, TD.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 12:37 pm to FishFearMe
Most informed college football fans know time of possession is an almost worthless stat, especially now a days when many teams don't play ball control.
If you wanna predict the winner of the game based on the stats, show me the total yardage of both teams and the turnovers.
It's EXTREMELY rare to have more yards, less turnovers, and still lose. Usually takes bizarre circumstances to lose if you win those stats.
If you wanna predict the winner of the game based on the stats, show me the total yardage of both teams and the turnovers.
It's EXTREMELY rare to have more yards, less turnovers, and still lose. Usually takes bizarre circumstances to lose if you win those stats.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 12:38 pm to FishFearMe
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Remember my post said you need to score also.
You need to score to win football games?!
LOOK EVERYONE! AGGIES HAVE FINALLY CRACKED THE CODE!
You have to score points to win!
Posted on 7/28/15 at 12:38 pm to FishFearMe
TOP is a psychological mind frick for the team on the opposing sideline if your team is eating up chunks of clock 6, 7 minutes at a time and putting points on the board nearly every drive. Not only does it emasculate the defense, but it puts a ton of pressure on the O to feel like they have to score and have to score NOW because they will have very limited chances going forward.
If you've ever played on a defense and had your arse handed to you like that, it fricks you up BAD. Like, on a metaphysical level. Soul destroying type shite that takes days to recover from.
If you've ever played on an offense that is in a groove like that and running down someone's throat and knowing there is nothing they can do to stop you, it's arguably the best feeling in the world. Tiger blood type shite. Makes you feel like you could sprint to the top of Everest, scream to the world that Edmund Hillary was a pussy, and sprint back down.
TOP doesn't always tell the whole story of a game, because you have to be able to score when you're given the chance, but it can be very, very awesome when your team is clicking like that.
If you've ever played on a defense and had your arse handed to you like that, it fricks you up BAD. Like, on a metaphysical level. Soul destroying type shite that takes days to recover from.
If you've ever played on an offense that is in a groove like that and running down someone's throat and knowing there is nothing they can do to stop you, it's arguably the best feeling in the world. Tiger blood type shite. Makes you feel like you could sprint to the top of Everest, scream to the world that Edmund Hillary was a pussy, and sprint back down.
TOP doesn't always tell the whole story of a game, because you have to be able to score when you're given the chance, but it can be very, very awesome when your team is clicking like that.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 12:39 pm to MightyYat
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Auburn's first 4 possession went FG, TD, TD, TD.
They didn't watch the game. Don't spoil it for them.
I'm sure their offense would've scored 56 by halftime.
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crispyUGA
The psychological aspect of sports is often overlooked in favor of tangible stats. It's sad that the human element is always taken out of the equation.
This post was edited on 7/28/15 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 7/28/15 at 12:40 pm to FishFearMe
40 yard dash is by far the most overrated
Posted on 7/28/15 at 12:41 pm to FishFearMe
Depends on your team. For TAMU, probably pretty overrated. For Bama or LSU, probably pretty important.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 12:42 pm to FishFearMe
TOP is NOT a meaningless stat. Yes, it DOES matter.
But it is also very overrated. Better to look at stats that aren't derivative - stats like yards per play and points per play.
But it is also very overrated. Better to look at stats that aren't derivative - stats like yards per play and points per play.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 12:42 pm to FishFearMe
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FishFearMe
You reek of fear
Posted on 7/28/15 at 12:43 pm to MightyYat
And what did LSU offense do?
Punt, punt, punt, punt?
Punt, punt, punt, punt?
Posted on 7/28/15 at 12:44 pm to texag7
What did the A&M offense do against Alabama?
Punt, punt, punt, punt?
Punt, punt, punt, punt?
Posted on 7/28/15 at 12:45 pm to FishFearMe
I agree to an extent. However if the time of possession teams score at the end of drives and keep the opposing offense off the field then it works wonders.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 12:47 pm to FishFearMe
Time of possession stats for the final four teams this year:
Ohio State - 35
Oregon - 115
Florida State - 86
Alabama - 33
Time of Possession Stats 2014
Fran preached TOP the entire time he was here. Here was his national rankings for the time that he was here:
2003 - 86
2004 - 110
2005 - 94
2006 - 1
2007 - 6
His most successful season was 2006 and he only won 9 games that year. He put too much value on it. Is it important, sure it is, but is not the be all end all stat that you are looking for if you are a successful coach. You don't hear Saban, Miles, Meyer or any other consistently successful coach talking ad nausea about TOP like Fran did. They are focused on turnover margin, 3rd down efficiency and red zone conversion...you know, then thing that actually wins games.
God I hate Fran.
Ohio State - 35
Oregon - 115
Florida State - 86
Alabama - 33
Time of Possession Stats 2014
Fran preached TOP the entire time he was here. Here was his national rankings for the time that he was here:
2003 - 86
2004 - 110
2005 - 94
2006 - 1
2007 - 6
His most successful season was 2006 and he only won 9 games that year. He put too much value on it. Is it important, sure it is, but is not the be all end all stat that you are looking for if you are a successful coach. You don't hear Saban, Miles, Meyer or any other consistently successful coach talking ad nausea about TOP like Fran did. They are focused on turnover margin, 3rd down efficiency and red zone conversion...you know, then thing that actually wins games.
God I hate Fran.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 12:48 pm to Eric4Tide
Wining the Time of Possession battle is key in games unless you have John Chavis as your defensive coordinator.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 12:49 pm to FishFearMe
As someone who has seen some halfway decent UK defenses get absolutely hamstringed by offenses who couldn't stay on the field for more than a few downs if their lives depended on it I'll have to respectfully disagree.
This post was edited on 7/28/15 at 12:50 pm
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