re: Thoughts on Frank Martin

We could go back and forth on this for a long time but I still think he underachieved in the coaching department given the talent he brought in. Every coach that recruits at a high level has to deal with turnover from 5 stars. That is not unique to Barnes.

I really just wanted to know what you thought or saw that made you think he was had the best basketball IQ in the SEC. I don't agree with it and wanted to see what you had to offer in terms of defending that statement.

For the record, I think it is a tough call. I think that is one department that most coaches in the SEC are lacking in right now.

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Martin isn't a dream, hes a realistic get for Mizzou. Mizzou could get better too, but martin would be a good start.


Mizzou has played Martin every year for 10 years. He has said how much he enjoys COMO, and how familiar he is with the city. Hes more familiar with recruiting MO than he is around SC.

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LULZ

Martin wanted to be closer to home (Miami) when he took this job. That's #1.

His wife and kids are entrenched here. That's #2.

He's talking about moving his mother here. That's #3.

#4 ... Mizzou cannot afford his buyout plus pay him what it would take to lure him away.

#5 ... he's being kind to CoMo when he speaks of CoMo. He's never lived there, he's only visited. He's actually lived here for five years.

#6 ... Mizzou's Athletic Department budget pales in comparison to SC's so he would require upgrades to your facilities that we already have in place, or are under construction, here. Mizzou cannot afford him.

#7 ... Martin has cultivated his recruiting base in this area throughout SC and to include NC and GA plus the Miami area and he's got the European connection as well that he has built here.

If you really believe Martin would leave for Mizzou, which is not even a lateral move, then you are dreaming.

Not to mention he enjoys the Frank Factor here. Our two winningest coaches are Frank McGuire and Frank Johnson. Frank Martin wants to pass both of them ... The Three Franks. And he loves being associated with Coach McGuire who was a hero of his.

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The 5* in class was ineligible Myck Kabongo for illegal contact

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He played in 45 games there, basically a one and done

Martin going to Misery?

No way. Why does anyone in their right mind believe this is possible? As a sports destination, MO has unfortunately jumped the shark and Fonzie isn't coaching there either.

When Larrañaga retires at Miami, Martin probably will get the call and I could see him going there.
MO fans are going to have to take a flyer on some young buck and just hope they get lucky. It's just where the program is now.

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His style can certainly lead to titles. The only thing not making us elite right now is a knock down shooter that can create his own shot. If he finds someone like this who will buy into defense the way Notice does, this team would be very tough to beat.

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You think that a knock-down shooter would elevate South Carolina's 150th ranked offense into one that could win a title? I'm not buying it.

Martin has had a Top 50 offense twice in his career: his first year with Kansas State (the year he lucked into Michael Beasley), and his Elite Eight year (when that last Huggins class were seniors). Even those last two tournament teams he had at Kansas State that both won a game were pretty offensively challenged.

He's just not a great offensive coach. If he lucks into another elite talent, maybe he'll win a title. If not, I think he is what he is: a coach who will have you in the postseason just about every year (whether NIT or NCAA), might get to the second weekend every once in awhile, but will never truly challenge for a title.

That sounds more than good enough for South Carolina or Missouri. I wouldn't want it at Florida.

Clearly us, and I don't diagree unless he's here for the long haul. Even then, it'd be a long shoot. Too many good programs surrounding us. Our best players have always been "diamond in the rough" types.

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He'll do a great job at Mizzou if we offer.

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Frank Martin has gained a lot of grey hair during the early years of building up and trying to coach the South Carolina program. If he takes on the Mizzou job, in a couple of years he'll look like this:

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It has nothing to do with identifying talent. Martin is just one of the few coaches who can take an unrefined raw athlete and develop at a high level

Any idiot can find an athlete, only Martin can regularly make that athlete an elite defender

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Totally agree.

The guy coaches'em up. He really does do a great job finding players that fit his system and then bringing them along to be good players.

As he gets better and better players he'll develop better and better players ... wait, errr, hell, you know what I mean.

Not every getable player out there is going to fit Martin's style or personality.

He's a great coach and they're only gonna get better.