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re: This year with Avery Johnson proves just how bad Anthony Grant was
Posted on 2/11/16 at 12:43 pm to GatorsGators
Posted on 2/11/16 at 12:43 pm to GatorsGators
quote:Good Lord. An absolute lack of any kind of offensive identity, zero structure and discipline in crunch time did him in. The guy looked lost out there half the time and his team reflected it. You have no clue what you're talking about.
Grant isn't a bad coach. He started out well but a combination of weird transfers, bad in-state talent, and him not wanting to grease palms with Bama boosters did him in.
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Posted on 2/11/16 at 12:45 pm to GatorsGators
I've defended Grant in this thread already but your first paragraph is simply untrue. Bama gave Grant every chance to succeed. Most didn't even want to give him another year last year, but we did. (which I was all for btw) and then it completely fell apart in his last year. it was a disaster of a last season. He would've been fired anywhere at that point.
And as for those "weird transfers" they weren't that weird after they became a well established pattern for his entire tenure. Ask Trevor Lacy why he transferred. Anthony Grant will be the first words out of his mouth.
I still like Grant, really great guy, but you can't ignore he had a rough go of it running a program here. Couldn't recruit on an elite level, couldn't keep them on the roster once he got em here. That's on the head coach at a certain point.
And as for those "weird transfers" they weren't that weird after they became a well established pattern for his entire tenure. Ask Trevor Lacy why he transferred. Anthony Grant will be the first words out of his mouth.
I still like Grant, really great guy, but you can't ignore he had a rough go of it running a program here. Couldn't recruit on an elite level, couldn't keep them on the roster once he got em here. That's on the head coach at a certain point.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 12:45 pm to GatorsGators
he was a joke and did nothing in the state to promote the team. He did not do radio. Several prominent Bama folks said he had to do a better job promoting the program after the 14 season. With his arse on the line he stayed in his shell. Great ASSt. coach perhaps but an effin loser as HC material. You guys could have hired his arse when your guy left.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 12:46 pm to pvilleguru
quote:Eh -- not sure I agree. Edwards is pretty much Cooper. Tarrant was hurt for the last two months of last season anyways (you were on the bubble before he went out).
With a lot less talent.
Only major step down in talent is losing Levi, and a year of experience for Retin and Norris has been enough to replace his production more or less.
I know the media was down on you guys preseason but it's not like you're devoid of talent. I think I had you 9th preseason and that looks about right.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 12:49 pm to genro
His teams were better disciplined and more structured than Gottfried's ever were. Played harder too.
but I agree he lacked an offensive identity, which ultimately was his undoing, along with his inability to recruit elite players. Good players can compensate for a lot of shortcomings. He never gave himself that luxury though, so his weaknesses were on full display.
Just take issue with bama fans talking about things like discipline and effort under Grant. Our teams were arguably too disciplined if anything. they needed to loosen up, play faster, etc. And they always played extremely hard. There is a lot to dislike about Grant, especially at the end. Can't say discipline and effort was ever really one of those things for me.
but I agree he lacked an offensive identity, which ultimately was his undoing, along with his inability to recruit elite players. Good players can compensate for a lot of shortcomings. He never gave himself that luxury though, so his weaknesses were on full display.
Just take issue with bama fans talking about things like discipline and effort under Grant. Our teams were arguably too disciplined if anything. they needed to loosen up, play faster, etc. And they always played extremely hard. There is a lot to dislike about Grant, especially at the end. Can't say discipline and effort was ever really one of those things for me.
This post was edited on 2/11/16 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 2/11/16 at 12:49 pm to genro
Why so hostile?
Sure, he's no offensive genius, but if Lacey and Pollard don't transfer he's probably still your coach.
There are way worse in-game coaches succeeding in college right now.
He'll get another shot in college a few years down the road I'm sure if he wants it. Then we'll see whether or not he's the horrible coach Bama fans like to say he is.
Sure, he's no offensive genius, but if Lacey and Pollard don't transfer he's probably still your coach.
There are way worse in-game coaches succeeding in college right now.
He'll get another shot in college a few years down the road I'm sure if he wants it. Then we'll see whether or not he's the horrible coach Bama fans like to say he is.
This post was edited on 2/11/16 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 2/11/16 at 12:49 pm to GatorsGators
Man you have no idea how damn frustrating it was to watch his teams. Even if we played well it became a foregone conclusion that we were gonna fall apart and have 5-10 fricking minute droughts because he had no plan. None.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 12:51 pm to GatorsGators
quote:no offense, but this is absurd. I fricking wish Arthur Edwards was as good of a basketball player as Rodney Cooper.
Eh -- not sure I agree. Edwards is pretty much Cooper. Tarrant was hurt for the last two months of last season anyways (you were on the bubble before he went out). Only major step down in talent is losing Levi, and a year of experience for Retin and Norris has been enough to replace his production more or less.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 12:54 pm to aspiclark
Cooper was pretty disappointing. He was a better rebounder than Edwards but they're similar otherwise. Both are inconsistent spot-up shooters who play decent defense.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 12:55 pm to joeyb147
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What am I missing here?
4 wins against ranked opponents. Road wins. No bad losses.
I don't think Grant beat a total of 4 ranked teams his entire tenure and he went nearly 2 years without winning a game outside Coleman.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 12:56 pm to GatorsGators
Edwards is a better shooter. Cooper was substantially better at literally everything else. Not even close.
And Bama wasn't really on the bubble last year when Tarrant got hurt. Beating UCLA was the closest thing to a quality win they had before opening up conference play 1-5.
And Bama wasn't really on the bubble last year when Tarrant got hurt. Beating UCLA was the closest thing to a quality win they had before opening up conference play 1-5.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 12:56 pm to aspiclark
I agree with what you're saying. Under Gottfried we would just dribble down and hope for the best, it seems we hardly ran any real sets. I didn't care at the time because we were good enough, I was enjoying it at the time. I would take that, a good recruiter and a lousy in game coach over Grant. He sucked at both.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 12:57 pm to GatorsGators
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Sure, he's no offensive genius, but if Lacey and Pollard don't transfer he's probably still your coach.
Lacey transferred because Grant wouldn't let him shoot.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 12:57 pm to GatorsGators
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Sure, he's no offensive genius, but if Lacey and Pollard don't transfer he's probably still your coach.
Pollard had an off-court incident, that wasn't on Grant. However, Lacey transferring was indicative of problems he had internally.
Lacey was also not the only transfer he had. Nick Jacobs transfered out to Georgia Tech. Tony Mitchel's leave during the season Alabama made the tournament is still a mystery, but many speculate that he and Grant just didn't get along.
Along with this, Grant made a huge make by just signing Pollard. I don't fault him for Pollard's actions, but when he left, Alabama had to rely on walk-ons like Dakota Slaughter.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 12:58 pm to GatorsGators
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There are way worse in-game coaches succeeding in college right now.
He was a good defensive coach, but pathetic on offense and abysmal when he needed to draw up a play late in halves.
Also, players really didn't improve under Grant or Gottfried. The improvement between last year to this year has been quite noticeable. Grant had no idea how to coach up a post player.
This post was edited on 2/11/16 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 2/11/16 at 1:07 pm to pvilleguru
we're a lot better this year, no doubt ... but grant didn't set the program back any ... he finished 2nd in the reg season twice ...
Posted on 2/11/16 at 1:07 pm to pvilleguru
I think saying Grant didn't develop players is absurd. Sure, there were players who didn't improve, but tell me that Releford, Randolph, Obasohan Taylor, etc. didn't improve under him.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 1:08 pm to pvilleguru
quote:That's fair, but it's not usually a deal breaker. Donovan can't draw up late-game plays either.
abysmal when he needed to draw up a play late in halves.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 1:09 pm to GatorsGators
well Taylor certainly didn't. and the others are guards which further underscores pville's point about his inability to recruit and develop any semblance of a post presence. It's been a disaster inside for us since Jamychal left. Still is.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 1:11 pm to aspiclark
Taylor definitely improved late last year
Hale is one of those guys who is never going to develop regardless of coaching imo
Hale is one of those guys who is never going to develop regardless of coaching imo
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