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This explains a lot regarding LSU's decline
Posted on 9/22/17 at 4:09 pm
Posted on 9/22/17 at 4:09 pm
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Scroll all the way down to the chart if you don't want to read. Stolen from tiger rant
Scroll all the way down to the chart if you don't want to read. Stolen from tiger rant
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Posted on 9/22/17 at 4:13 pm to HarryCarry
welcome back bro. has your eyesight gotten any better? can't wait for you to start calling Cubs games again.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 4:13 pm to HarryCarry
Was expecting a pic of Coach Eaux.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 4:32 pm to HarryCarry
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This explains a lot regarding LSU's decline
Scroll all the way down to the chart if you don't want to read
What? The graphic about all the transfers and early exits to NFL? Yeah. No one else has ever had to deal with that without declining
The real reason for LSU's "decline" is because it isn't a decline at all. Historically you are about the 4th best program in the program in the SEC. You flirted with 2nd best for a brief stretch and now you've gone back to your historical place.
We should be looking at reasons for LSU's "incline" from 2002 - 2011 and see if there is any way you could replicate those conditions.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 4:35 pm to HarryCarry
What I like to refer to as the Petrino Problem.
Now, before I elaborate, Bert has managed to screw the pooch all on his on. This is not a get out of jail free card for him.
The Petrino Problem is shown in what happened when he first left Louisville and when he showed himself the door from Arkansas. A coach comes in after him, expected to find a loaded roster after Petrino's success... only to find a good chunk of Petrino recruits either never made it to campus, were kicked off the team before their first year, or transferred within a year.
Bert took the job at Arkansas because he thought he was, to use a country phrase, cutting a fat hog in the arse. John L. Smith obviously had a mental meltdown because just a year before Arkansas was a top 5 team!
Instead he found himself coaching a team that had effectively lost half of its recruits over a two year period because Petrino went for players with questionable grades and legal histories.
Coach O's problem now is that not only is his roster really thin in key places, its loaded with a lot of poison pills that no one ever bothered to straighten out.
LSU has real legit talent. Don't kid yourself. But they are like a home that looks gorgeous on the outside but when you get inside you find cracks in the walls and termites all over the place.
It can be fixed, their recruiting grounds are as rich as can be. Its going to take some work and they are going to have to recruit the right player to make it work though.
Now, before I elaborate, Bert has managed to screw the pooch all on his on. This is not a get out of jail free card for him.
The Petrino Problem is shown in what happened when he first left Louisville and when he showed himself the door from Arkansas. A coach comes in after him, expected to find a loaded roster after Petrino's success... only to find a good chunk of Petrino recruits either never made it to campus, were kicked off the team before their first year, or transferred within a year.
Bert took the job at Arkansas because he thought he was, to use a country phrase, cutting a fat hog in the arse. John L. Smith obviously had a mental meltdown because just a year before Arkansas was a top 5 team!
Instead he found himself coaching a team that had effectively lost half of its recruits over a two year period because Petrino went for players with questionable grades and legal histories.
Coach O's problem now is that not only is his roster really thin in key places, its loaded with a lot of poison pills that no one ever bothered to straighten out.
LSU has real legit talent. Don't kid yourself. But they are like a home that looks gorgeous on the outside but when you get inside you find cracks in the walls and termites all over the place.
It can be fixed, their recruiting grounds are as rich as can be. Its going to take some work and they are going to have to recruit the right player to make it work though.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 4:40 pm to bamasgot13
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What? The graphic about all the transfers and early exits to NFL? Yeah. No one else has ever had to deal with that without declining
Yeah, people don't seem to realize how many signing classes are badly eroded after 2-3 years. Still, that chart looks like LSU has been hit a bit harder than most, especially since the trenches are extremely important to their style of play.
Edit: I should say, the trenches are important to football in general, of course, but teams like LSU and Bama rely on controlling them more than most.
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Posted on 9/22/17 at 4:43 pm to bamasgot13
AP top football programs historically
Basically says that LSU is ranked 11th out of all football programs and 3rd in the entire SEC. So I think that LSU is a top program and we flirted with #1 for about 10 years.
Basically says that LSU is ranked 11th out of all football programs and 3rd in the entire SEC. So I think that LSU is a top program and we flirted with #1 for about 10 years.
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Posted on 9/22/17 at 4:46 pm to HarryCarry
The problem is that Orgeron is letting the guys do whatever they want. No organization, no discipline, no accountability and they practice like a high school organization. He is too much of a friend to the kids and not enough of a true father figure. Add to it that his best 2 players are selfish, prima Donna types and it equals a poorly prepared football team. This shite mirrors the Mike Dubose era at Alabama.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 4:47 pm to HarryCarry
Boo hoo.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 4:48 pm to Arksulli
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The Petrino Problem is shown in what happened when he first left Louisville and when he showed himself the door from Arkansas. A coach comes in after him, expected to find a loaded roster after Petrino's success... only to find a good chunk of Petrino recruits either never made it to campus, were kicked off the team before their first year, or transferred within a year.
Petrino also struggled to evaluate non-skill position talent. He truly sucked at it and left Bret with some gaping weaknesses there. It'll be interesting to see how long he can keep things moving at UL once Jackson is gone. Now, he had real success with them before Jackson (and before Arkansas, for that matter) but he can no longer rely on opposing defenses struggling with his offensive set-up. CFB has adjusted to a considerable degree.
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Posted on 9/22/17 at 4:54 pm to bamasgot13
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Historically you are about the 4th best program in the program in the SEC
It varies from 2nd to 4th in the SEC by publication, 9-13th nationally.
We are a top ~10 program in CFB throughout history. Among SEC schools only Bama is within the top few spots nationally. We are not top 10 right now, we are not in our "traditional" place.
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Posted on 9/22/17 at 4:56 pm to bamasgot13
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What? The graphic about all the transfers and early exits to NFL? Yeah. No one else has ever had to deal with that without declining
It's not an article about players leaving for the league. It's about players being hurt and transferring in spots of great value (defense and OL) to us. Oh, and the receiving corps, which we were FINALLY GOING TO start relying on but now can barely field.
Tiger rant keeps melting about how hiring CEO meant "no rebuild." And that's true. But shite's done changed between hiring and now as far as transfers and injuries. We'll deal with it.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 4:56 pm to HarryCarry
Thats just crappy recruiting. Wasnt Coach Eaux over recruiting for lsu before being promoted?
Posted on 9/22/17 at 4:58 pm to BIGJLAW
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Thats just crappy recruiting. Wasnt Coach Eaux over recruiting for lsu before being promoted?
He showed up a month from signing day 2015. The gap mentioned is mainly the '14 and '15 classes.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 5:01 pm to 1BIGTigerFan
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Basically says that LSU is ranked 11th out of all football programs and 3rd in the entire SEC. So I think that LSU is a top program and we flirted with #1 for about 10 years.
Yeah we only finished AP top 10 in
2011
2010
2007
2006
2005
2003
2001
1987
1986
1984
1971
1970
1965
1962
1961
1959
1958
1946
1936
People that act like we think football started in the 2000s think football started in the 90s
Oh and here's our 10-20 AP finishes by the way:
2015
2013
2012
2009
2008
2004
2000
1997
1996
1988
1982
1973
1972
1969
1967
1964
1963
1949
1945
1942
1937
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We should be looking at reasons for LSU's "incline" from 2002 - 2011 and see if there is any way you could replicate those conditions.
^ In regards to this from another poster, no. We just need to avoid replicating the 90s, the true historic outlier, and we'll be just fine.
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Posted on 9/22/17 at 5:06 pm to HarryCarry
There's always reasons and excuses for not being the best, aight.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 5:13 pm to Lsuchs
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2001
1987
14 year gap.
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1984
1971
13 year gap.
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1958
1946
12 year gap.
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1946
1936
10 year gap.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 5:15 pm to TideSaint
Yep. Those gaps are filled in with 13ths, 16ths, and so on...
that's an 80 year time frame and you found 4 10+ year gaps without a top 10 finish. Those gaps are sprinkled with successful top 15 seasons. They are the "down years"
We have finished in the final AP top 10 almost 25% of the time we've fielded a team during its 80+ year existence.
There are not many programs with more high finishes. You have more of course, along with 8 or 9 others
Like I said, we are a top ~10 program all time. We have no business settling for less.
A program is not ranked nationally by their average final national rankings. It relative to everyone else. Have y'all averaged #1 final AP ranking for 80+ years straight? Because y'all are arguably the #1 program of all time
LSU football has a hell of a historical resume
that's an 80 year time frame and you found 4 10+ year gaps without a top 10 finish. Those gaps are sprinkled with successful top 15 seasons. They are the "down years"
We have finished in the final AP top 10 almost 25% of the time we've fielded a team during its 80+ year existence.
There are not many programs with more high finishes. You have more of course, along with 8 or 9 others
Like I said, we are a top ~10 program all time. We have no business settling for less.
A program is not ranked nationally by their average final national rankings. It relative to everyone else. Have y'all averaged #1 final AP ranking for 80+ years straight? Because y'all are arguably the #1 program of all time
LSU football has a hell of a historical resume
This post was edited on 9/22/17 at 5:38 pm
Posted on 9/22/17 at 5:16 pm to BIGJLAW
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Thats just crappy recruiting. Wasnt Coach Eaux over recruiting for lsu before being promoted?
Yep. Here's some of our fans.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 5:24 pm to 1BIGTigerFan
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Basically says that LSU is ranked 11th out of all football programs and 3rd in the entire SEC. So I think that LSU is a top program and we flirted with #1 for about 10 years.
Ranked 3rd in the SEC because of that 10 year stretch. You've usually been 4th. Not a knock.
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