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re: The latest NCAA snafu: Cost of attendance
Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:03 pm to Tdot_RiverDawg
Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:03 pm to Tdot_RiverDawg
Your numbers for Alabama are outdated.
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Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:05 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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Your numbers for Alabama are outdated.
most of them are, look for pretty much everyones to raise to the same level'ish
Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:15 pm to MontyFranklyn
The NCAA lost the O'Bannon case:
LINK
If you don't remember. That was a wakeup call for the NCAA and its institutions. Blood was put in the water and they had to find a way to get some money into the hands of players just to make their position somewhat more defendable.
What I am saying is it might not work. A judge might look at this in the future cases and say "not good enough." The NFL pays just under half its revenue to players and even with this the NCAA isn't anywhere NEAR that. They need to cut that gap or a judge will do it for them.
LINK
If you don't remember. That was a wakeup call for the NCAA and its institutions. Blood was put in the water and they had to find a way to get some money into the hands of players just to make their position somewhat more defendable.
What I am saying is it might not work. A judge might look at this in the future cases and say "not good enough." The NFL pays just under half its revenue to players and even with this the NCAA isn't anywhere NEAR that. They need to cut that gap or a judge will do it for them.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 1:05 pm to cardboardboxer
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What's Included in the COA
As dictated by Congress, the COA is the average cost to attend for one academic year (fall through spring). It includes tuition and fees, books and supplies, room and board, transportation, and personal expenses. Colleges adjust the COA yearly to reflect changes to these costs.
So, taking into account the fact that certain things are covered already:
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Tuition
University Fees
Required Textbooks
Room and Board
That doesn't leave much. Per the Congressional dictation, that leaves:
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Course Fees
Personal Expenses
Transportation
Of course, the primary cost is Personal Expenses, with Transportation kicking in mostly for Out-of-state players (it could be determined that a team with a player base that extends further outside it's own state could end up having a higher average - if Alabama has 6 players from California and 5 from Maryland, for example, that could boost the numbers over Auburn who may have students mostly out of Georgia and Florida for their OOS players).
So, Cost of Living and Transportation. Well, honestly - COL between the various college towns in the SEC doesn't vary THAT much (despite what people think).
Baseline: Tuscaloosa (using the following site: LINK )
Auburn - 4% Lower
Fayetteville - 11% Lower
Gainesville - 4% Lower
Lexington - 10% Lower
Baton Rouge - 7% Lower
Jackson - 13% Lower
Columbia, MO - 6% Lower
Columbia, SC - 6% Lower
Knoxville, TN - 13% Lower
Nashville, TN - 12% Lower
This site seemed to be weighed heavily towards utility costs (of which, apparently, Tuscaloosa is a decent bit above average), so I went to this one which seemed a bit better. That said, it skews when looking at towns that are almost entirely college towns (Oxford, Auburn) - you can see this when the index jumps well above average for housing costs. Sadly, I didn't see a way to remove that as an option when running the reports and honestly did not feel like recalculating everything manually. Interestingly enough, Miss State was brought DOWN by housing costs - they had the most categories rated at above the national average (4). USC also was brought down by housing costs.
According to this site Knoxville is, apparently, a veritable craphole.
Pulled from LINK /
COL Index Scores (National Average is 100):
Alabama (Tuscaloosa): 96
Arkansas (Fayetteville): 93
Auburn (Auburn): 107 (Housing Index 109)
Florida (Gainesville): 96
Georgia (Athens): 92
Kentucky (Lexington): 93*
LSU (Baton Rouge): 91
Ole Miss (Oxford): 103 (Housing Index 112)
MSU (Starkville): 92
Mizzou (Columbia): 95
USC (Columbia): 98
Tennessee (Knoxville): 84
Texas A&M (College Station): 94
Vanderbilt (Nashville): 97
* - Kentucky was the only one that had a separate listing for the actual campus; however, it was identical to Lexington in every way but housing costs.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 1:48 pm to cardboardboxer
quote:The fallout would be far greater. You are looking at the potential break away of the power 5, thus potentially killing all sports at the vast majority of small schools. For the greater they would have to compromise. College sports is good for the u.s. economy overall. No judge is going to ruin that.
The NCAA lost the O'Bannon case: LINK If you don't remember. That was a wakeup call for the NCAA and its institutions. Blood was put in the water and they had to find a way to get some money into the hands of players just to make their position somewhat more defendable. What I am saying is it might not work. A judge might look at this in the future cases and say "not good enough." The NFL pays just under half its revenue to players and even with this the NCAA isn't anywhere NEAR that. They need to cut that gap or a judge will do it for them.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:08 pm to JesusQuintana
I'm curious to see how the higher out of state tuition rates at each university effect recruiting. For schools that are close to state lines, this could sway all sorts of recruits.
Say there's a kid that lives near the Georgia/Bama state line but in the state of Georgia, and both Auburn and UGA are recruiting said kid. In all reality he lives just as close to both universities, but because he'd be getting out of state tuition rates at Auburn his stipend would be about $2500 more per year. How does this effect the situation?
Say there's a kid that lives near the Georgia/Bama state line but in the state of Georgia, and both Auburn and UGA are recruiting said kid. In all reality he lives just as close to both universities, but because he'd be getting out of state tuition rates at Auburn his stipend would be about $2500 more per year. How does this effect the situation?
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:15 pm to RazorBroncs
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but because he'd be getting out of state tuition rates at Auburn his stipend would be about $2500 more per year. How does this effect the situation?
Of course it does. And UGA would be quite vulnerable here with so many football schools on our border(s).
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:19 pm to JustGetItRight
quote:Just preparing the student athletes for the realities of life after college.
The fact that Auburn was outpaying Bama by almost 2k was a disgrace
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:20 pm to WDE24
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Just preparing the student athletes for the realities of life after college.
It's a cruel world out there for the script A
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:27 pm to allin2010
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Wow! I thought the athletic dept was in the hole?
quote:Didn't most every program have to upgrade the telecom infrastructure for the SEC network? I know Bama had to do extensive work and additions you our communication system. My brother in-law works for UA broadcasting/communications. The University laid down a ton of money to upgrade and expand the infrastructure to facilitate the new network.
We have a budget loss projected for this year of 5.7 million. MOST of that was the need to upgrade the telecommunications infrastructure for the SEC network.
The budget did not include revenues from the SEC Network,but that will offset the cost. After that we can easily pay the stipend.
My guess of the cost of the stipends is probable around 1.5 million for ALL sports.
This post was edited on 7/29/15 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:38 pm to RazorBroncs
That's a great point. Suffice to say, the system is already fricked before it even gets implemented.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:45 pm to MontyFranklyn
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The fallout would be far greater.
Maybe, but judges sometimes don't rule from a practical position.
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You are looking at the potential break away of the power 5, thus potentially killing all sports at the vast majority of small schools. For the greater they would have to compromise.
The NCAA thought the same way about the last court case they lost, they thought they were untouchable. The last judge made it clear that the sport can be changed from the bench.
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College sports is good for the u.s. economy overall. No judge is going to ruin that.
um, I am pretty sure college sports has a negligible effect on the US economy.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 3:16 pm to NYCAuburn
quote:Shouldn't Bama's cost of living be near the top if travel weighs so heavily in the calculation? We got a ton of OOS players from all over the place - a lot more than in-state players.
A big portion of it is travel. They factor geographical center of student population(for both in state vs out of state) then use that location as a distance from the school in the calculation.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 3:21 pm to RT1941
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Shouldn't Bama's cost of living be near the top if travel weighs so heavily in the calculation? We got a ton of OOS players from all over the place - a lot more than in-state players.
Each is factored individually(in state vs out of state) and its based upon the entire undergrad enrollment, not players. Bama has a large OOS population growth recently, which is also why you are seeing your stipend grow as well
Posted on 7/29/15 at 3:26 pm to NYCAuburn
quote:We have over 65% of the student population OOS right now. Bunch a damn yankees & left coasters but they pay well.
Each is factored individually(in state vs out of state) and its based upon the entire undergrad enrollment, not players. Bama has a large OOS population growth recently, which is also why you are seeing your stipend grow as well
Posted on 7/30/15 at 9:12 am to cardboardboxer
quote:You are not looking at it from a micro economic scale. Think about all the money the cities in the SEC make from football and apply that across the board. It is making a huge difference.
um, I am pretty sure college sports has a negligible effect on the US economy.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 9:56 am to MontyFranklyn
You're right. Here's a study conducted in 2012 on the economic impact LSU athletics has on the BR economy
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This post was edited on 7/30/15 at 9:57 am
Posted on 7/30/15 at 10:19 am to GeorgeReymond
quote:Since Saban has been here I would say that his presence has created over 10k jobs. Some were temporary with construction, but still.
You're right. Here's a study conducted in 2012 on the economic impact LSU athletics has on the BR economy
Posted on 7/30/15 at 10:33 am to MontyFranklyn
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You're right. Here's a study conducted in 2012 on the economic impact LSU athletics has on the BR economy
quote:I'm sure Saban's presence had a big impact on the Tuskaloosa economy. Couple his presence with the addition of 10,000 to 12,000 additional students and a massive tornado that forced the city to overhaul the retail/hotel/buisness market and we've seen unprecidented growth in a short time in T'town.
Since Saban has been here I would say that his presence has created over 10k jobs. Some were temporary with construction, but still.
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