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The latest NCAA snafu: Cost of attendance
Posted on 7/29/15 at 8:35 am
Posted on 7/29/15 at 8:35 am
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According to an April analysis by the Chronicle of Higher Education, the difference between a full scholarship and the new payments for an athlete in the Southeastern Conference will range from $2,284 (at Kentucky) to $5,666 (at Tennessee.) Using a nine-month academic calendar, that’s a difference of $376 a month for a full-scholarship athlete at Tennessee compared to Kentucky.
There is simply no reason that this had to be fricked up from jump, but it is. Some schools are now allowed to pay recruits more, and it's all perfectly within the rules. Schools calculate their COA themselves and there are no checks and balances (that I'm aware of) that stop schools from inflating their numbers for recruiting advantages. This WILL become an issue in the near future, and it could have been addressed from the beginning. Nothing like changing a positive into a negative.
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Determining the cost of scholarships that go above room, board, tuition, books and fees is up to each university. Wide variations in the stipends each school could offer has been viewed as giving schools with higher figures a recruiting advantage over those with smaller payouts. Nick Saban downplayed that notion last week at SEC Media Days. "This has not changed our recruiting, and there's not been a lot of questions asked about it," he said. "Now, maybe it will have an impact in the future. I don't think that's the intention of cost of attendance. I think it's to improve the quality of the student-athlete's life, not to be used as a recruiting tool."
Well, that is a very romantic view Nick. Unfortunately, and very obviously, it's not based on reality. How long until a recruit says he picked a certain school because they will "pay him more"? I'm sure it happens in this cycle.
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Posted on 7/29/15 at 8:38 am to JesusQuintana
Great post jesus 
Posted on 7/29/15 at 8:40 am to JesusQuintana
It's gonna be some bullshite in the near future.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 8:46 am to JesusQuintana
Poor Old MisTippi Tate More than $5,000 club
Here are the top 10 schools and the SEC ranked by annual stipend amount:
Power 5
1. Tennessee: $5,666 per year ($630 per month)
2. Auburn: $5,586 ($621)
3. Louisville: $5,202 ($578)
4. Mississippi State: $5,126 ($570)
5. Texas Tech: $ $5,100 ($567)
6. Penn State: $4,788 ($532)
7. TCU: $4,700 ($522)
8. Oklahoma: $4,614 ($513)
9. Oklahoma State: $4,560 ($507)
T10. BYU: $4,500 ($500)
T10. Ole Miss: $4,500 ($500)
SEC
1. Tennessee: $5,666 per year ($630 per month)
2. Auburn: $5,586 ($621)
3. Mississippi State: $5,126 ($570)
4. Ole Miss: $4,500 ($500)
5. South Carolina: $4,151 ($461)
6. Arkansas: $4,002 ($445)
7. Missouri: $3,664 ($407)
8. Florida: $3,320 ($369)
9. LSU: $3,096 ($344)
10. Alabama: $2,892 ($321)
11. Vanderbilt: $2,780 ($309)
12. Texas A&M: $2,706 ($301)
13. Georgia: $2,598 ($289)
14. Kentucky: $2,284 ($254)
Here are the top 10 schools and the SEC ranked by annual stipend amount:
Power 5
1. Tennessee: $5,666 per year ($630 per month)
2. Auburn: $5,586 ($621)
3. Louisville: $5,202 ($578)
4. Mississippi State: $5,126 ($570)
5. Texas Tech: $ $5,100 ($567)
6. Penn State: $4,788 ($532)
7. TCU: $4,700 ($522)
8. Oklahoma: $4,614 ($513)
9. Oklahoma State: $4,560 ($507)
T10. BYU: $4,500 ($500)
T10. Ole Miss: $4,500 ($500)
SEC
1. Tennessee: $5,666 per year ($630 per month)
2. Auburn: $5,586 ($621)
3. Mississippi State: $5,126 ($570)
4. Ole Miss: $4,500 ($500)
5. South Carolina: $4,151 ($461)
6. Arkansas: $4,002 ($445)
7. Missouri: $3,664 ($407)
8. Florida: $3,320 ($369)
9. LSU: $3,096 ($344)
10. Alabama: $2,892 ($321)
11. Vanderbilt: $2,780 ($309)
12. Texas A&M: $2,706 ($301)
13. Georgia: $2,598 ($289)
14. Kentucky: $2,284 ($254)
Posted on 7/29/15 at 8:46 am to JesusQuintana
I thought the public university's own state governments are the ones who set these numbers not the schools or athletic dept's themselves.
Is that not correct?
Is that not correct?
Posted on 7/29/15 at 8:49 am to Ericvol2096
Bama just increased theirs by 34%... What Saban meant to say was we will increase our payment so as not to impact recruiting...
Alabama football coach Nick Saban has called cost of attendance a “nightmare” because of varying numbers by schools and concerns the figures could be fudged.......
Don't feel too bad for Saban, though. As it turns out, Alabama's cost of attendance stipends will rank among the leaders nationally at $5,386 for out-of-state players and $4,172 for in-state players, according to information the university provided to CBSSports.com.
This represents a 34-percent increase in Alabama's cost of attendance figure for out-of-state students from two years ago and a 14-percent increase for in-state students. In its 2013-14 NCAA financial report, Alabama listed the gap between its average scholarship and the full cost of attendance at $4,018 for out-of-state students and $3,664 for in-state students.
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Its a fluid situation
Alabama football coach Nick Saban has called cost of attendance a “nightmare” because of varying numbers by schools and concerns the figures could be fudged.......
Don't feel too bad for Saban, though. As it turns out, Alabama's cost of attendance stipends will rank among the leaders nationally at $5,386 for out-of-state players and $4,172 for in-state players, according to information the university provided to CBSSports.com.
This represents a 34-percent increase in Alabama's cost of attendance figure for out-of-state students from two years ago and a 14-percent increase for in-state students. In its 2013-14 NCAA financial report, Alabama listed the gap between its average scholarship and the full cost of attendance at $4,018 for out-of-state students and $3,664 for in-state students.
LINK
Its a fluid situation
Posted on 7/29/15 at 8:50 am to Tdot_RiverDawg
I tell you what if someone told me when I was 17 that I'd get 300 more bucks a month to play at their school I'd listen closely for sure.
I do think this could be an advantage for TN, I just didn't think the AD's or even the schools themselves set these numbers.
I do think this could be an advantage for TN, I just didn't think the AD's or even the schools themselves set these numbers.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 8:51 am to Ericvol2096
Posted on 7/29/15 at 8:51 am to JesusQuintana
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Schools calculate their COA themselves and there are no checks and balances (that I'm aware of) that stop schools from inflating their numbers for recruiting advantages.
UGA is middle of the road with their COA @ $3500. If we don't inflate our costs to keep up with UT/AU/UA, well... shame on us. If the system can be gamed & you don't play the game, you have no one to blame but yourself...
Posted on 7/29/15 at 8:52 am to allin2010
Sounds like the coaches are able to work some info up the ladder into the goverment then to get these numbers worked in their favor after reading this.
Oh well, I mean if it is legal I'm glad TN did everything they could to maximize it.
Oh well, I mean if it is legal I'm glad TN did everything they could to maximize it.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 8:53 am to Tdot_RiverDawg
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13. Georgia: $2,598 ($289)
That UGA number is wrong. it was adjusted to $3476 some time ago..
Bama is wrong too..
Posted on 7/29/15 at 8:54 am to JesusQuintana
I was certain I read multiple articles around SEC Media days where it was stated it was a goverment official that set them for the state University's but I could be mistaken.
But it would be niave to think that it still wouldn't be influenced in that situation as well.
But it would be niave to think that it still wouldn't be influenced in that situation as well.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 9:01 am to dallasga6
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Bama is wrong too..
Copied and prepared to paste in almost every thread since it always applies
Posted on 7/29/15 at 9:04 am to Ericvol2096
I wonder who the first school will be to say frick it and get their number up over 10k?
Posted on 7/29/15 at 9:13 am to JesusQuintana
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I wonder who the first school will be to say frick it and get their number up over 10k?
Prolly Texas, OSU or USC....
Posted on 7/29/15 at 9:21 am to JesusQuintana
The thing is, Tennessee is using the same numbers that they have for years (back before it was beneficial to have high cost of attendance numbers). UT hasn't changed anything in their COA figures...now, suddenly, everyone else is recalculating their numbers.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 9:22 am to JesusQuintana
what I will GUARANTEE is that the schools are gonna find a way to increase the hell out of this payment. it will be a race to maximize the schollie discrepancy and will, like the facilities and coaches salary race, get out of control.
just like acts of congress (laws passed) it is a lot easier to pass the law than to regulate and enforce it.
it may not be a perfect solution but the NCAA needs to arbitrarily set this number for ALL schools and adjust it annually.
just like acts of congress (laws passed) it is a lot easier to pass the law than to regulate and enforce it.
it may not be a perfect solution but the NCAA needs to arbitrarily set this number for ALL schools and adjust it annually.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 9:59 am to JesusQuintana
You know these numbers can be fricked with because bama recently greatly increased their numbers after seeing their original numbers would put them at a disadvantage
Posted on 7/29/15 at 10:04 am to auburnphan23
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You know these numbers can be fricked with because bama recently greatly increased their numbers after seeing their original numbers would put them at a disadvantage
Absolutely.
The fact that Auburn was outpaying Bama by almost 2k was a disgrace. Hopefully somebody got fired for that frickup.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 10:09 am to allin2010
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Bama just increased theirs by 34%... What Saban meant to say was we will increase our payment so as not to impact recruiting...
this is what will happen it will continue to snowball until somebody comes out with the obvious conclusion "gee, wow, maybe it wasn't such a great idea to just let everyone do whatever the fuk they want".
At some point the conference commisioners will come to the conclusion that someone will have to regulate this and since the NCAA already exists, might as well have them do it. They'll conclude they are geniuses for figuring out the obvious and wonder aloud how it wasn't accounted for to begin with.
This is what administrations do, create problems so they can fix them and then congratulate themselves for being heroes.
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