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The lack of movement in the AP poll is pretty upsetting
Posted on 9/8/15 at 5:09 pm
Posted on 9/8/15 at 5:09 pm
The good:
Alabama goes up one spot
Notre Dame goes up two spots
TCU goes down one spot
The bad:
Texas A&M only at 16 after beating 15 in convincing fashion, behind LSU who didn't play.
Michigan State staying the same (5) after a lackluster opener against Western Michigan
Oregon staying the same (7) after giving up 42 points to an FCS school
Teams like Georgia, Florida State, Clemson, USC, Georgia Tech, Ole Miss either move down or stay the same after whooping their opponent convincingly.
Seriously, at some point people have to realize preseason rankings are bullshite and let the results on the field show the true positions, instead of sticking to a rigid grid and not allowing movement unless a team loses. Who in the world doesn't believe Georgia, FSU, USC are better teams than Michigan State? How in the world is Texas A&M behind LSU?
Alabama goes up one spot
Notre Dame goes up two spots
TCU goes down one spot
The bad:
Texas A&M only at 16 after beating 15 in convincing fashion, behind LSU who didn't play.
Michigan State staying the same (5) after a lackluster opener against Western Michigan
Oregon staying the same (7) after giving up 42 points to an FCS school
Teams like Georgia, Florida State, Clemson, USC, Georgia Tech, Ole Miss either move down or stay the same after whooping their opponent convincingly.
Seriously, at some point people have to realize preseason rankings are bullshite and let the results on the field show the true positions, instead of sticking to a rigid grid and not allowing movement unless a team loses. Who in the world doesn't believe Georgia, FSU, USC are better teams than Michigan State? How in the world is Texas A&M behind LSU?
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Posted on 9/8/15 at 5:16 pm to Kcoyote
I was listening to nationally syndicated ESPN radio this weekend, and Max Bretos, who I'm typically a big fan of, was explaining his ballot.
His logic for 3 or 4 of his top 10 votes was something along the lines of, well their schedule is easier so I expect them to have a better record at the end of the year. Robert Smith, his co-host, was taken aback. "So, you don't vote for the team that you THINK is better, just the one that you think will have a better record."
Bretos was shocked that Smith didn't follow his logic.
His logic for 3 or 4 of his top 10 votes was something along the lines of, well their schedule is easier so I expect them to have a better record at the end of the year. Robert Smith, his co-host, was taken aback. "So, you don't vote for the team that you THINK is better, just the one that you think will have a better record."
Bretos was shocked that Smith didn't follow his logic.
This post was edited on 9/8/15 at 5:17 pm
Posted on 9/8/15 at 5:17 pm to Kcoyote
Bring this topic back up when September ends. Right now, who cares?
Posted on 9/8/15 at 5:18 pm to Kcoyote
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Texas A&M only at 16 after beating 15 in convincing fashion, behind LSU who didn't play.
It's understood that LSU is always better
Posted on 9/8/15 at 5:18 pm to Kcoyote
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Who in the world doesn't believe Georgia, FSU, USC are better teams than Michigan State?
A lot of people don't believe that.
Posted on 9/8/15 at 5:19 pm to Kcoyote
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Michigan State staying the same (5) after a lackluster opener against Western Michigan Oregon staying the same (7) after giving up 42 points to an FCS school
This will work itself out shortly.
Posted on 9/8/15 at 5:20 pm to Tennessee Jed
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I was listening to nationally syndicated ESPN radio this weekend, and Max Bretos, who I'm typically a big fan of, was explaining his ballot.
His logic for 3 or 4 of his top 10 votes was something along the lines of, well their schedule is easier so I expect them to have a better record at the end of the year. Robert Smith, his co-host, was taken aback. "So, you don't vote for the team that you THINK is better, just the one that you think will have a better record."
Bretos was shocked that Smith didn't follow his logic.
This has been an issue with college football voting for a long time.
Part of the voting process for some involved is looking ahead at the schedule and trying to project where a team will finish up. This rewards teams early for an easier schedule when the easier schedule will help them in the end anyway.
I never understand why teams aren't just ranked where they stack up. And start stacking them up around week 5.
Posted on 9/8/15 at 5:21 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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A lot of people don't believe that.
Then a lot of people would be wrong
Posted on 9/8/15 at 5:21 pm to Kcoyote
Is think significant movement based on one week of looking good or bad is probably too elastic for my liking. Bad and good games happen. I would have no issue making significant changes based on a bigger sample- 3 to 5 games or so.
Posted on 9/8/15 at 5:22 pm to Kcoyote
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The lack of movement in the AP poll is pretty upsetting
WTF??? It's one week, the 1st week...
Posted on 9/8/15 at 5:23 pm to Kcoyote
This is why their should be no rankings until week 6. one of the things the playoff poll gets right
Of course, it does drive a lot of preseason yapping so it has its advantages.
Of course, it does drive a lot of preseason yapping so it has its advantages.
Posted on 9/8/15 at 5:23 pm to meansonny
Agree 100%
Posted on 9/8/15 at 5:24 pm to Kcoyote
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Then a lot of people would be wrong
Then a lot of people would also be right.
Posted on 9/8/15 at 5:26 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Then a lot of people would also be right.
You wanna make out now or what?
Posted on 9/8/15 at 5:27 pm to Kcoyote
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How in the world is A&M behind LSU?
Because the team aTm beat was ranked lower than LSU
Posted on 9/8/15 at 5:30 pm to SamuelClemens
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Because the team aTm beat was ranked lower than LSU
And you're falling into the trap. You've now assumed preseason rankings, which are supposed to be seen as meaningless, as rigid. Because LSU was 14, they should stay 14, regardless if they are wholly unimpressive, or if they didn't even play. Meanwhile a team that knocks off a top 15 team in convincing fashion should be behind them. That line of thinking is flawed.
Posted on 9/8/15 at 5:31 pm to Kcoyote
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Seriously, at some point people have to realize preseason rankings are bullshite and let the results on the field show the true positions, instead of sticking to a rigid grid and not allowing movement unless a team loses. Who in the world doesn't believe Georgia, FSU, USC are better teams than Michigan State? How in the world is Texas A&M behind LSU?
I mean Sparty didn't play great, but the team they played is a top level MAC team, and Sparty played on the road. I'm not defending their performance, but that could play into the decision. IE they played someone with a pulse so it's easier to gauge them
Posted on 9/8/15 at 5:32 pm to Kcoyote
i hear ya, but don't let it upset ya too much.
Posted on 9/8/15 at 5:33 pm to Kcoyote
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You wanna make out now or what?
Depends. Describe what "or what" will include.
Posted on 9/8/15 at 5:34 pm to Kcoyote
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Texas A&M only at 16 after beating 15 in convincing fashion
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Seriously, at some point people have to realize preseason rankings are bullshite
I think you've got some circular reasoning going on.
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