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re: The "Big 6" in Numbers
Posted on 2/11/16 at 1:27 pm to BHMKyle
Posted on 2/11/16 at 1:27 pm to BHMKyle
Without looking, and just assuming, I would say Southern Cal has the best and most impressive record vs AP top 25-5, with ND behind them.
ND's rivals are/were Michigan State, Michigan, Miami, and USC.
ND's rivals are/were Michigan State, Michigan, Miami, and USC.
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Posted on 2/11/16 at 1:33 pm to BHMKyle
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Big 6 indeed.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 1:46 pm to gamecocks22
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The other members of the "Big 6" (excluding Bama) trying to act like they are in the same league as Bama is worse than the non "Big 6" members acting like they should be grouped with the "Big 6".
While Bama is certainly way out front... the difference is this:
The other members of the "Big 6" have all won Championsihps, just like Bama. Maybe not as many as Bama, but they've still won them.
Auburn, Florida (3x), Georgia, LSU (2x), and Tennessee have all won National Championships since 1980.
And since 1980, the number of SEC Titles for each program breaks down like this:
8- Alabama
8- Florida
7- Auburn
6- LSU
5- Georgia
5- Tennessee
The other teams in the conference combine for ZERO. While Bama has certainly been the best program of all-time in the SEC, the age of scholarship allotments helped to even things out. The SEC has been remarkably competitive between all 6 of the big programs since 1980
Don't get me wrong, Bama has still been the best program since 1980, but the gap isn't really all that big. Up until about 2011, you could easily make the case that Bama wasn't even the top program in the conference during the era of scholarship allotments.
So in all honesty, the gap nowadays between Bama and the other 5 really isn't as big as the gap between the "Big 6" and the other programs.
And the longer it takes for another program to finally win the SEC, the bigger that gap grows.
This post was edited on 2/11/16 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 2/11/16 at 1:51 pm to Gary Busey
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Without looking, and just assuming, I would say Southern Cal has the best and most impressive record vs AP top 25-5, with ND behind them.
I was just looking into this. Ever since that other poster posted the link to that website, I haven't been able to stop looking at it.
BEST ALL-TIME WINNING PERCENTAGE AGAINST TOP 25 TEAMS:
46.4%- Alabama
45.2%- Oklahoma
44.0%- Notre Dame
44.0%- Ohio State
43.9%- Florida State
42.6%- USC
40.4%- Michigan
39.7%- Texas
39.5%- Penn State
36.7%- Tennessee
36.1%- Florida
35.3%- Miami
35.1%- Nebraska
34.0%- Auburn
33.4%- LSU
31.3%- Georgia
31.3%- UCLA
NUMBER OF WINS VS. AP TOP 25 OPPONENTS:
124- Alabama
123- Notre Dame
111- Oklahoma
107- USC
103- Michigan
102- Texas
101- Florida
99- Ohio State
90- Tennessee
88- Penn State
87- LSU
86- Auburn
83- Nebraska
82- Florida State
81- Miami
73- Georgia
73- UCLA
This post was edited on 2/11/16 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 2/11/16 at 1:56 pm to BHMKyle
Tennessee is coming in 6th in several of these.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 2:02 pm to BHMKyle
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BEST ALL-TIME WINNING PERCENTAGE AGAINST TOP 25 TEAMS:
46.4%- Alabama
Posted on 2/11/16 at 2:02 pm to cajunbama
We're also 2nd or 3rd in several of them as well. And last time I checked, 6th is still within tBig6. 
Posted on 2/11/16 at 2:20 pm to rockytop627
Yes it is. Bottom of the big 6 but still big 6.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 2:28 pm to Gary Busey
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Without looking, and just assuming, I would say Southern Cal has the best and most impressive record vs AP top 25-5, with ND behind them.
ND's rivals are/were Michigan State, Michigan, Miami, and USC.
Notre Dame was king for years in that stats. The last 15-20 years has been tough on them, though.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 3:10 pm to boxedlunch
Its funny how those numbers correlate so well with these:
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Maybe we should call it the Big Fix instead of the Big Six?
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Maybe we should call it the Big Fix instead of the Big Six?
Posted on 2/11/16 at 3:25 pm to boxedlunch
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Notre Dame was king for years in that stats. The last 15-20 years has been tough on them, though.
Yes, they have. Of the 16 programs that I would consider "Elite" in college football, Notre Dame has performed the 4th worst this century (2000-2015). Only Tennessee, Penn State, and Nebraska have faired worse.
WINNING PERCENTAGE AGAINST AP TOP 25 TEAMS SINCE 2000:
57.1%- Ohio State
53.6%- Oklahoma
51.4%- LSU
45.3%- USC
44.6%- Texas
43.8%- Florida State
43.0%- Florida
42.9%- Auburn
42.6%- Alabama
41.7%- Miami
39.1%- Georgia
30.8%- Michigan
29.0%- Notre Dame
23.0%- Tennessee
22.4%- Penn State
18.5%- Nebraska
Amazing that Nebraska closed out the last century winning national titles in 1994, 1995, & 1997... and played for it again in 2001.
It's as if the blowout loss to Miami in the Rose Bowl was the death of Nebraska being a big-time program. It was the boundary between the last century in which the Huskers were so strong, and the new century in which they've been mostly irrelevant.
While Nebraska is still an "elite" program in my mind based off of their history, of all the elite programs of the past, they seem least likely to regain their former glory.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 3:31 pm to BHMKyle
Do these numbers include vacated wins?
Posted on 2/11/16 at 3:51 pm to smoker68
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Do these numbers include vacated wins?
Those include neither vacated wins nor vacated loss.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 3:56 pm to smoker68
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Do these numbers include vacated wins?
No. They are official records.
The way I look at things is the NCAA has inconsistently punished teams over the past several decades.
Some teams were hit with crippling scholarship losses which caused their W/L record to suffer until those sanctions ran their course. Others were merely punished retroactively through vacated/forfeited games in the past. Either way, that was the punishment.
Counting vacated forfeited wins in my opinion is not fair to the teams that played by the rules in the first place. If Team A cheated their butts off for a decade and therefore racked up an impressive W/L record, and if the NCAA orders some of those wins to be forfeited/vacated, then they should be indeed.
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