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re: The beginning of the end of the NCAA in football has begun....
Posted on 1/22/13 at 12:25 pm to molsusports
Posted on 1/22/13 at 12:25 pm to molsusports
Duke's football revenue ($25MM and middle of the pack in the ACC) is actually respectable and better than I would have thought. It would easily approach $40MM if they were in the SEC going forward.
Will Duke basketball remain elite when Coach K is no longer there?
Will Duke basketball remain elite when Coach K is no longer there?
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Posted on 1/22/13 at 12:32 pm to SwatMitchell
if UCLA, north carolina, and kansas could keep winning after their coaches left, duke should be able to do it as well
Posted on 1/22/13 at 1:20 pm to WestCoastAg
Well no announcement yet.....
Posted on 1/22/13 at 2:32 pm to WestCoastAg
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if UCLA, north carolina, and kansas could keep winning after their coaches left, duke should be able to do it as well
Duke wasn't that good before Coach K showed up (no titles). And UCLA has had only one title after Wooden retired.
Posted on 1/22/13 at 2:38 pm to TutHillTiger
These are rumors from a UNC board (via a Nebraska board via WVU so probably from the same group of sources), a lot of the same info, TFWIW
"Update - Based on many conversations today with people in the Big Ten, Big 12 and SEC, here's what's brewing:
1. Big Ten is in final stages with Virginia. Virginia submitted plan to Delany outlining procedures for withdrawal from the ACC and plans to compete in the Big Ten. The announcement that Maryland and Rutgers were joining the Big Ten came days after Delany accepted their plans. So if Delany follows the model used previously, UVA is just days away.
2. North Carolina has been in discussions with both the Big Ten and SEC. The Tar Heels are conflicted on the choice between the academic prowess of the Big Ten or the SEC's money.
3. The Big Ten has no interest in Duke and has told UNC so. The SEC would take both Duke and UNC.
4. Delany plans to invite Georgia Tech if UNC decides to go with the SEC. Plan B for GT is Boston College.
5. The SEC will take either UNC and Duke or Virginia Tech and North Carolina State. They will stop at 16. The SEC has no interest in Florida State or Clemson.
6. The Big 12 has Miami locked up. The Hurricanes decided to accept the Big 12's offer for fear of being left out. The have accepted.
7. The Big 12 will invite three additional schools and will stop at 14. Florida State and Clemson are definitely two of the three. Both have "unofficial invitations". The third school will be (in order of preference): Georgia Tech, North Carolina State, Duke, Louisville, or Cincinnati. It's almost certain that the 14th member of the Big 12 will be either Georgia Tech or NC State.
8. The Big Ten would consider going to 18 only if teams #15 and #16 are Virginia and North Carolina. #17 would be Georgia Tech and #18 would be Boston College.
9. Sing hosannas and dance a little jig the big bad Pitt is never mentioned!!!! (side note: this post came from a Penn State poster). The B1G already has PA locked down with PSU and while Pitt's academics are in alignment with the Big Ten they have shown a consistent and pervasive disinterest in football. So let's all hold hands, shed a little tear and sing Sweet Caroline one more time with the special WVU chorus added in for old times sake!
"Update - Based on many conversations today with people in the Big Ten, Big 12 and SEC, here's what's brewing:
1. Big Ten is in final stages with Virginia. Virginia submitted plan to Delany outlining procedures for withdrawal from the ACC and plans to compete in the Big Ten. The announcement that Maryland and Rutgers were joining the Big Ten came days after Delany accepted their plans. So if Delany follows the model used previously, UVA is just days away.
2. North Carolina has been in discussions with both the Big Ten and SEC. The Tar Heels are conflicted on the choice between the academic prowess of the Big Ten or the SEC's money.
3. The Big Ten has no interest in Duke and has told UNC so. The SEC would take both Duke and UNC.
4. Delany plans to invite Georgia Tech if UNC decides to go with the SEC. Plan B for GT is Boston College.
5. The SEC will take either UNC and Duke or Virginia Tech and North Carolina State. They will stop at 16. The SEC has no interest in Florida State or Clemson.
6. The Big 12 has Miami locked up. The Hurricanes decided to accept the Big 12's offer for fear of being left out. The have accepted.
7. The Big 12 will invite three additional schools and will stop at 14. Florida State and Clemson are definitely two of the three. Both have "unofficial invitations". The third school will be (in order of preference): Georgia Tech, North Carolina State, Duke, Louisville, or Cincinnati. It's almost certain that the 14th member of the Big 12 will be either Georgia Tech or NC State.
8. The Big Ten would consider going to 18 only if teams #15 and #16 are Virginia and North Carolina. #17 would be Georgia Tech and #18 would be Boston College.
9. Sing hosannas and dance a little jig the big bad Pitt is never mentioned!!!! (side note: this post came from a Penn State poster). The B1G already has PA locked down with PSU and while Pitt's academics are in alignment with the Big Ten they have shown a consistent and pervasive disinterest in football. So let's all hold hands, shed a little tear and sing Sweet Caroline one more time with the special WVU chorus added in for old times sake!
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Posted on 1/22/13 at 2:54 pm to LawC
There is some good logic in that post but I can't see the Big 12 passing up VTech or PItt if they are available. I also don't think UVA could go to the Big 1G unless VTech is set for either the SEC or Big 12. No way does the Big 12 take Louisville/Cincy with VTech and Pitt available. Pitt is an AAU school as well.
The other elephant in the room is what happens with Notre Dame. The most likely scenario would seem to be they work a deal similar to their ACC deal with the Big 12. I can't see them going to the SEC or Big 1G. The Pac 12 is theoretically possible with their long ties with Stanford and USC but that seems a stretch.
UNC is the catalyst and the prize though. They are the most valuable ACC team by quite a bit.
The other elephant in the room is what happens with Notre Dame. The most likely scenario would seem to be they work a deal similar to their ACC deal with the Big 12. I can't see them going to the SEC or Big 1G. The Pac 12 is theoretically possible with their long ties with Stanford and USC but that seems a stretch.
UNC is the catalyst and the prize though. They are the most valuable ACC team by quite a bit.
Posted on 1/22/13 at 4:00 pm to aggressor
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The other elephant in the room is what happens with Notre Dame
would they work out a non football deal with the catholic school conference? ND puts their east coast presence as high priority
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UNC is the catalyst
UVA is the real catalyst, all this is dependent on whether the rumors of their leaving to the B1G are true, if they are then the ACC for sure implodes and all eyes go to UNC to see which conference we choose
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I can't see the Big 12 passing up VTech or PItt if they are available
FSU and Clemson are obvious because they're the best football schools and bring the big 12 into SEC territory
Miami saved a spot early and will always have tons of football potential, plus a national brand
but NCSU v VT v Pitt is a toss up
NCSU is solid all around athletics and NC is bigger than Va, VT doesnt really deliver the DC market and who knows if they'll be good at football when beamer goes, WVU probably doesnt want Pitt in the Big 12 so they may try to block that
Posted on 1/22/13 at 5:05 pm to LawC
If all this is true and the SEC gets UNC and Duke we would as a conference be smart to kick out a dead weight school like Misouri or most logically a Mississippi school (State would be my hope) and make a run @ Virginia Tech.
This way we as a conference get the added revenue of adding the state of Virginia, lose a dead weight school, and now have all of the states from the Confederacy (+ Kentucky and maybe Missouri) in our conference.
This way we as a conference get the added revenue of adding the state of Virginia, lose a dead weight school, and now have all of the states from the Confederacy (+ Kentucky and maybe Missouri) in our conference.
Posted on 1/22/13 at 5:29 pm to LawC
UVA will likely only leave for the Big 1G though, UNC is much harder to predict and if they go SEC or Big 1G it affects a lot of other schools. Lots of dominos fall one way or another based on UNC's decision. UVA is only a catalyst in terms of adding to the death of the ACC but I think the real death blow there was MD leaving. Now if UVA went to the SEC that would be interesting but I don't see it unless UNC puts a hard sell on them. BTW, if that happened I would see the Big 1G going after Duke over BC because of their AAU status (along with GTech).
That is also why I don't see the Big 12 passing up on PItt. Pitt is literally the only real D1 AAU school left on the table and they are the 2nd largest school in PA. They are also traditional rivals with WVU. I suppose WVU could go hostile but I would think they would welcome that rivalry back. They are really the oddball in the Big 12 right now and adding Pitt and VTech would bring a lot of normalcy back to their fan base. The Big 12 can add 6 schools pretty easily if it chooses to.
That is also why I don't see the Big 12 passing up on PItt. Pitt is literally the only real D1 AAU school left on the table and they are the 2nd largest school in PA. They are also traditional rivals with WVU. I suppose WVU could go hostile but I would think they would welcome that rivalry back. They are really the oddball in the Big 12 right now and adding Pitt and VTech would bring a lot of normalcy back to their fan base. The Big 12 can add 6 schools pretty easily if it chooses to.
Posted on 1/22/13 at 5:33 pm to The7Sins
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If all this is true and the SEC gets UNC and Duke we would as a conference be smart to kick out a dead weight school like Misouri or most logically a Mississippi school (State would be my hope) and make a run @ Virginia Tech.
This way we as a conference get the added revenue of adding the state of Virginia, lose a dead weight school, and now have all of the states from the Confederacy (+ Kentucky and maybe Missouri) in our conference.
Come on now, nobody's getting kicked out. Missouri is struggling right now but they bring a lot of value to the league with lots of TV's, AAU status, and typically a good AD. Miss State would be screwed if they were having to change conferences but they are safe as can be as a charter member and Ole Miss would raise holy hell if someone moved on them.
Posted on 1/22/13 at 8:09 pm to aggressor
I know Missou and Kentucky won't be kicked out to make room for a Virginia school. They bring in a good bit of money from there respective states and basketball (Kentucky) and academics (Missou).
But I still don't like having them in taking a spot in the conference over a school from an actually southern state. (note The7Sins' definition of southern state is a state that joined the confederacy)
But in the end as much as it pains me it would be dumb to kick either out. And for Kentucky they have charter immunity sadly.
Also true State won't be kicked out but honestly Miss State should they are a dead weight school in there state and unlike other dead weight schools (Auburn, Vandy, potentially Duke) State brings nothing to the table athletically, academically, or monetarily (especially because of there state being small population wise).
So if the conference wanted to maximize tv revenue they would cut the dead weight and use the now 3 open spots to get Virginia Tech, North Carolina, and Duke.
But this is not a perfect world so I must concede your point is valid and sadly State will stick around being a parasite leaching off the conference.
But I still don't like having them in taking a spot in the conference over a school from an actually southern state. (note The7Sins' definition of southern state is a state that joined the confederacy)
But in the end as much as it pains me it would be dumb to kick either out. And for Kentucky they have charter immunity sadly.
Also true State won't be kicked out but honestly Miss State should they are a dead weight school in there state and unlike other dead weight schools (Auburn, Vandy, potentially Duke) State brings nothing to the table athletically, academically, or monetarily (especially because of there state being small population wise).
So if the conference wanted to maximize tv revenue they would cut the dead weight and use the now 3 open spots to get Virginia Tech, North Carolina, and Duke.
But this is not a perfect world so I must concede your point is valid and sadly State will stick around being a parasite leaching off the conference.
Posted on 1/22/13 at 8:40 pm to The7Sins
Why the frick do yall keep bring up academics in a discussion about an athletic conference?
Posted on 1/22/13 at 9:50 pm to aggressor
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UVA will likely only leave for the Big 1G though
although there have been lots of rumors, the source of most of these rumors is that WVU guy who's been predicting the realignment stuff for awhile and been wrong on multiple occasions
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UNC is much harder to predict and if they go SEC or Big 1G
this is pure speculation, but from the conversations i've had i would predict UNC to go to the SEC due to the fact that we fit much better regionally with the SEC and being a southern school is a large part of our identity
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