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TutHillTiger
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Tennessee honest question about your incredible collapse...

I was listening to Bill King the other day and had some recruiting guru on and they guy just said something to the tune of "As you know Bill, the State of Tennessee simply doesn't have that many blue chip football recruits, which is going to make it that much harder for UT to rebuild."

My question is has this always been true or is this a recent issue? If so what is the cause?

If this has always been the case how was UT so good for so long? Did it require a lot of out of state players back in its glory days, because I thought they were loaded with Tennessee boys back then but maybe I am wrong.

Has there been a population shift or something, or did UT always have to have lots of out of state talent to survive?

Or maybe this is not true at all.
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TigersOfGeauxld
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re: Tennessee honest question about your incredible collapse...
It's always been the case, which is why UT had a much bigger recruiting budget than virtually anyone else, back in the day.

I do feel that high school football in Tennessee is on the rise though.


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dallasaggie
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re: Tennessee honest question about your incredible collapse...
Didn't we see a bunch of posts in June and July that they had the number one recruiting class...



Robert Goulet
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re: Tennessee honest question about your incredible collapse...
In state talent has always been lacking compared to surrounding states. UT has always played nationally which allowed for national recruiting. Add in he largest recruiting budget in the nation and it shows how many players come from out of state.

The good UT teams always had some good in state prospects, but the problem is the numbers of good in state kids are limited. Talent in TN is getting much better, especially in the mid state area.


AlaTiger
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re: Tennessee honest question about your incredible collapse...
Tennessee is right next to Georgia (Atlanta area), North Alabama, the Carolinas, Virginia, and even Ohio is not that far away. They have a lot that they can sell recruits if they would have some kind of strategy and a coaching staff that was worth something.

It is all about coaching. Tennessee is a sleeping giant. When has East Tennessee had great football talent? They should own Memphis as well. It is coaching, coaching, coaching.



GumpMaster&Commander
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re: Tennessee honest question about your incredible collapse...
Tennessee would still be a powerhouse if UT was in Memphis instead of Knoxville. We would be lot better in we were in Little Rock instead of Fayetteville. We are both just too far away from black folks.


BradPitt
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re: Tennessee honest question about your incredible collapse...
It's extremely difficult to stay in contact with young Jethro in the mountains considering he doesn't have a cell/landline phone or internet provider.


volfan30
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re: Tennessee honest question about your incredible collapse...
The issue has been development moreso than getting talent on campus.

Fulmer was pulling in top 5 classes in his sleep but had a horrible staff and was vastly underachieving
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Kiffin pulled in a top 10 class, but that class would have been closer to top 3-5 if he had stayed through NSD.

Dooley, one of the worst recruiters I have seen in any sport, pulled in a few top 12ish classes before last season's abortion of a class that finished around 20th.

We currently have the #2 class in the nation and we'll likely finish no worse than 7th.

Tennessee being unable to attract talent is a myth that you will see a lot on this board. Development is the real key for us though.


idlewatcher
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re: Tennessee honest question about your incredible collapse...
I think they are a victim of their recruiters and head coaches. Kiffin and Dufus really burned some bridges for recruits and their family. Either way, they are better than they've been the last 3-4 years despite their melt down.


08Gatorbait
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I don't think they are better. This may be the worst Tennessee team I've ever seen all around. It's going to take a lot to rebuild this team. They at least had a strong offense last year. This year it's just wow...

But we know why the Collapse has happened. Florida has scared all good coaches away from Tennessee. Tennessee calls, the coach ask if they still have to play UF yearly. Tennessee says, "well...yea". Then the coach hangs up.
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Rickdaddy4188
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re: Tennessee honest question about your incredible collapse...
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If this has always been the case how was UT so good for so long? Did it require a lot of out of state players back in its glory days, because I thought they were loaded with Tennessee boys back then but maybe I am wrong.


Outside of a few years(97&98) Tennessee hasn't been great. They have 5 sec titles in 43 years.
This post was edited on 9/23 at 11:42 pm


TheDude321
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re: Tennessee honest question about your incredible collapse...
Tennessee borders eight states, and five more states are located within two hours of its borders. UT can either dip into all of those thirteen states for a limitless supply of recruits, or it can have all of those thirteen states carve up Tennessee for recruits. Lately, it has seen the latter occur.


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Prof
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re: Tennessee honest question about your incredible collapse...
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Didn't we see a bunch of posts in June and July that they had the number one recruiting class...




Might wanna look at how well the class is holding up before giggling:

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As to the OP, we've always had a good share of locals but we've also had more from outside our state -- more than most schools. Our location means that a lot of GA recruits, for example, are far more local than Memphis recruits (you have to understand that Bristol, TN is actually closer to CANADA than Memphis.) Adding to that there's a lot of Chattanooga boys who technically play HS football in Georgia.

Knoxville is closer to GA, AL, NC, VA, SC, KY, Indianapolis, Indiana, Columbus, OH, and a lot of other places than Memphis. That matters because Memphis is our largest city and metro area but they're hardly local (a lot of Memphians consider Ole Miss & Miss State as their local SEC school). On the flipside, we're just as close and often closer for to home for a lot of out of state players than their in-state schools.

The argument that we don't have enough in-state talent is overstated as our location makes us central to a lot of out of state recruits and in-state talent is often underrated due to our population being spread out (no one scouts small schools). At the same time, in-state talent is on the rise largely due to fact that public and private schools in middle TN and East TN are starting to pour a lot of money into HS FB and smaller schools are now able to wage PR campaigns for their prospects with only a small budget. Before these kids would never have been noticed unless they attended a school in a major media market.
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BigOrangeBri
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re: Tennessee honest question about your incredible collapse...
Ha, you really love this stat. You put it in every UT thread even though lsu has only won 1 more in that time span. From 1985 to 2010 UT won 230 games which is 6th in the country. Lsu is 15th with 204.

And UT has 801 all time wins, lsu has 747. So, if UT hasn't been great what does that say about lsu


Monticello
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re: Tennessee honest question about your incredible collapse...
UT has always had to get the vast majority of their players out of state. The 90's were great for UT because Georgia, LSU, and USCe had not yet risen. In addition, UT had a lot of success in CA since USC sucked in the 90's.


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Monticello
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re: Tennessee honest question about your incredible collapse...
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Outside of a few years(97&98) Tennessee hasn't been great.


UT in the 90's was every bit as tough of an opponent as LSU has been over the last 10 years. The difference is that UT has been at that level during many decades whereas LSU has only recently been a consistent power.


redeye
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re: Tennessee honest question about your incredible collapse...
No offense to Tennessee, but they're not Alabama. They have a great program and had a good run in the nineties, but no one should expect them to compete for national titles every year. Before the one in '98, their previous national title was in 1951, so it's not like Tennessee has ever regularly competed for national titles for any prolonged period of time.

The same can be said for every SEC program, with the exception of Alabama. You might throw Florida in there if we limit it to the past 30 years, and even LSU, if we limit it to the past 10 years. But even those schools have had lengthy down periods in their history, so I don't find it unusual that Tennessee is having one now. They'll likely be back and others will fall.


Draconian Sanctions
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The same can be said for every SEC program, with the exception of Alabama.


Yeah Alabama pre-Saban was just killing it


s_i5
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re: Tennessee honest question about your incredible collapse...
They've always had to recruit nationally. I think it will be more difficult now because of instant information available for everyone. All teams can recruit nationally these days.


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