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Teams who made the BCS title game without winning their conference/division
Posted on 11/2/16 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 11/2/16 at 3:09 pm
Teams that didn't win their conference:
2003 Oklahoma (lost to Kansas State in the Big XII Championship)
Teams that didn't win their division:
2001 Nebraska (Colorado won the Big XII North)
2011 Alabama (21-0)
2003 Oklahoma (lost to Kansas State in the Big XII Championship)
Teams that didn't win their division:
2001 Nebraska (Colorado won the Big XII North)
2011 Alabama (21-0)
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Posted on 11/2/16 at 3:11 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
The playoff committee is going to make it a very difficult near impossible task for this to happen again
I think they have made it very clear that conference title game winners are given the largest weight
I think they have made it very clear that conference title game winners are given the largest weight
Posted on 11/2/16 at 3:12 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
That is also looking at selecting 2 teams vs 4. It should be easier now. Plus I would argue that we have fewer strong conferences so it'll be easier to have a non conference winning candidate.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 3:14 pm to Camel Menthol
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I think they have made it very clear that conference title game winners are given the largest weight
This could be the year in which they have to put their money where their mouth is.
If you have a 2-loss Big Ten Champion (Wisconsin) and a 2-loss PAC 12 Champion (Washington State or Colorado) and you have a 1-loss Washington, 1-loss Michigan, 1-loss A&M, and 1-loss Louisville, then what?
Posted on 11/2/16 at 3:14 pm to Camel Menthol
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The playoff committee is going to make it a very difficult near impossible task for this to happen again
I think they have made it very clear that conference title game winners are given the largest weight
How is it more difficult now with 4 spots instead of just 2 before?
IMO there's really no way the committee would chose a 2 loss LSU over a 1 loss Alabama if it came down to it (in that scenario LSU wins out and wins SECCG, Alabama's only loss is to LSU). Now they may BOTH make it in depending on everyone else, but if there's just a 4th slot left available, not much doubt from me Alabama gets taken over LSU.
This post was edited on 11/2/16 at 3:15 pm
Posted on 11/2/16 at 3:15 pm to thunderbird1100
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IMO there's really no way the committee would chose a 2 loss LSU over a 1 loss Alabama if it came down to it (in that scenario LSU wins out and wins SECCG, Alabama's only loss is to LSU)
I think you might be surprised in that case
If LSU runs the table, beats Alabama, and then wins the SECCG LSU will get in over Alabama
Posted on 11/2/16 at 3:19 pm to Camel Menthol
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I think you might be surprised in that case
If LSU runs the table, beats Alabama, and then wins the SECCG LSU will get in over Alabama
How? LSU will not jump Alabama if we win on Saturday, so you expect them to jump Alabama by beating either UF a 2nd time or Tennessee in the SECCG? Highly doubt it. 1-loss is still better than 2 losses. Would never hear the end of how a 2 loss SEC team got selected over a 1 loss SEC team.
Let's even throw Wisconsin in the picture since LSU lost to them. What if Wisconsin won out and finished 10-2. What do you tell them? And Wisconsin has a very very very high chance of finishing 10-2, they have a cakewalk left. They also would likely make the Big Ten CCG.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 3:20 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
The playoff exists because this happened.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 3:22 pm to thunderbird1100
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Would never hear the end of how a 2 loss SEC team got selected over a 1 loss SEC team.
I will speak for this Bama fan
It will be impossible to argue that LSU did not deserve it when they 1) beat us 2) won the division we are in and 3) won the SEC
LSU would get in especially with a last game win over a top 10 team most likely to strengthen the schedule playing more games
Posted on 11/2/16 at 3:23 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
There is only one team to look into the past for a comparison to this years A&M. 2007 LSU, because you will have two losses, the last game of the regular season being one.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 3:24 pm to thunderbird1100
Of the three teams who didn't win their conference but went on to play for the title, only Alabama was deserving of the berth.
Let's run the numbers:
2001:
Miami was the clear #1 team
Oregon (10-1) had a home loss to unranked Stanford by 7 points
Nebraska (10-1) was beaten by 4 touchdowns by Big 12 North Division and Conference Champion Colorado
Texas (10-1) would have played Miami in the title game had they not lost to Colorado in the Big 12 Championship. Lost to #3 Oklahoma in October
The correct title game would have been Miami/Oregon.
2003:
Oklahoma (12-1) Blown out by Kansas State in the Big 12 Title game
LSU (12-1) lost at home to Florida
USC (11-1) lost in 3OT to Cal on the road
The correct title game would have been USC/LSU
2011:
LSU (13-0) - Clear #1 team
Alabama (11-1) - Only loss was in OT to LSU
Oklahoma State (11-1) - Lost to 6-6 Iowa State after blowing a 17 point 4th quarter lead
Correct title game was LSU/Alabama
Let's run the numbers:
2001:
Miami was the clear #1 team
Oregon (10-1) had a home loss to unranked Stanford by 7 points
Nebraska (10-1) was beaten by 4 touchdowns by Big 12 North Division and Conference Champion Colorado
Texas (10-1) would have played Miami in the title game had they not lost to Colorado in the Big 12 Championship. Lost to #3 Oklahoma in October
The correct title game would have been Miami/Oregon.
2003:
Oklahoma (12-1) Blown out by Kansas State in the Big 12 Title game
LSU (12-1) lost at home to Florida
USC (11-1) lost in 3OT to Cal on the road
The correct title game would have been USC/LSU
2011:
LSU (13-0) - Clear #1 team
Alabama (11-1) - Only loss was in OT to LSU
Oklahoma State (11-1) - Lost to 6-6 Iowa State after blowing a 17 point 4th quarter lead
Correct title game was LSU/Alabama
Posted on 11/2/16 at 3:30 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
Fun thread!
What happens when a melt melts??
What happens when a melt melts??
This post was edited on 11/2/16 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 11/2/16 at 3:30 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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The playoff exists because this happened.
The first year of the playoffs were easy to select. You had 0 loss Clemson, 1 loss SEC champ Alabama, 1 loss Big 12 Champ OU and 1 loss Big Ten champ MSU. Simple and easy. Only 2 other 1 loss teams, both from Big Ten, neither was conference champ so those 4 selections were obvious.
Now let's see a scenario this year:
- Washington wins out and undefeated, automatically in
- Michigan loses to Wisconsin in a rematch game in Big 10 CCG, Wisconsin is 11-2, Michigan 12-1
- Big 12 out of discussion
- Clemson loses to 2 loss VT in ACCCG, Clemson finishes 12-1, VT 11-2
- Alabama loses to LSU, LSU wins out; LSU SEC Champ at 10-2, Alabama is 11-1
Now pick your 3 playoff teams besides Washington.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 3:36 pm to thunderbird1100
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The first year of the playoffs were easy to select. You had 0 loss Clemson, 1 loss SEC champ Alabama, 1 loss Big 12 Champ OU and 1 loss Big Ten champ MSU. Simple and easy. Only 2 other 1 loss teams, both from Big Ten, neither was conference champ so those 4 selections were obvious.
That was the first year?
Posted on 11/2/16 at 3:37 pm to thunderbird1100
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The first year of the playoffs were easy to select.
You mentioned year 2.
Year 1 you had:
Unbeaten ACC Champion Florida State (13-0)
1-loss SEC Champion Alabama (12-1)
1-loss PAC 12 Champion Oregon (12-1)
1-loss Big Ten Champion Ohio State (12-1)
1-loss Big XII Co-True Champions Baylor and TCU (11-1)
Posted on 11/2/16 at 3:43 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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011:
LSU (13-0) - Clear #1 team
Alabama (11-1) - Only loss was in OT to LSU
Oklahoma State (11-1) - Lost to 6-6 Iowa State after blowing a 17 point 4th quarter lead
Correct title game was LSU/Alabama
Wrong - Bama did not win the conference, should not have been given a mulligan.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 3:47 pm to Camel Menthol
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I think they have made it very clear that conference title game winners are given the largest weight
Where have they said that? What I heard them say was Conference Championship would be weighed in a tie-breaker situation where two teams have comparable bodies of work.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 3:51 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
Don't win your conference or division you don't deserve a playoff spot.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 4:03 pm to thunderbird1100
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but if there's just a 4th slot left available, not much doubt from me Alabama gets taken over LSU.
Not - a - chance - in - hell.
They will no way no how leave an LSU team that is both conference champion and beat Bama HTH out, and invite Bama.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 4:04 pm to Jenar Boy
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Don't win your conference or division you don't deserve a playoff spot.
Simply false.
Hypothetical situation... the SEC East and SEC West winners are undefeated going into the SEC Championship, and one of them loses in OT for their 1 loss on the year.
Meanwhile, the other conference champions all have 2 losses on the year.
You are really going to argue that the 1-loss SEC team should not be in the playoffs ahead of any of the 2-loss champs from other conferences?
Your assertion is ridiculous, and you know it.
EDIT: as for division, you really think 3 other teams would have deserved to be in the playoffs over Bama back in 2011? Again, dumb, and you know it.
This post was edited on 11/2/16 at 4:07 pm
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