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Posted on 9/1/13 at 8:11 am
Posted on 9/1/13 at 8:11 am
Was called in the A&M game and their guy was ejected.
You think we will see many more of these calls this season?
You think we will see many more of these calls this season?
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Posted on 9/1/13 at 8:19 am to Stuttgart Tiger
Hopefully not. I like muschamps idea of reviewing the film after the game and then making the ruling on intent.
Posted on 9/1/13 at 8:20 am to Stuttgart Tiger
Yes, especially considering the fact that the hit was not targeting. The hit was shoulder-to-chest after the ball was popped up in the air. Terrible call, and a preview of the BS that will pervade the season.
Posted on 9/1/13 at 8:23 am to Mirthomatic
Heard this morning that your hit involved leading with the elbow.
It wasn't above the shoulders, but he did have his elbow out first.
I think if he makes that same hit but wraps up then it wouldn't have been called. Or, would have been reversed if it had been called.
It wasn't above the shoulders, but he did have his elbow out first.
I think if he makes that same hit but wraps up then it wouldn't have been called. Or, would have been reversed if it had been called.
Posted on 9/1/13 at 8:26 am to Stuttgart Tiger
Posted on 9/1/13 at 8:28 am to Mirthomatic
Yeah that looks like a good tackle to me. 
Posted on 9/1/13 at 8:31 am to Hog on the Hill
Even the guy who got hit thinks it wasn't a penalty.
Posted on 9/1/13 at 8:33 am to Mirthomatic
Good shot to the chest area, I agree. Defenders are going to have to wrap the arms more to protect themselves from that call.
Posted on 9/1/13 at 8:38 am to Stuttgart Tiger
I don't think it was a penalty either; but A&M wasn't doing itself any favors getting in the faces of Rice. Similar to when a pitches gives chin music to a hitter - if they've been jawing or something else during the course of the game to give the perception that it was intentional, the Umpire is much more likely to eject the pitcher. I imagine refs will do similar.
Posted on 9/1/13 at 8:48 am to skrayper
Wah? You don't call a bogus penalty that results in ejection and suspension for half of the next game because there's been chirping. Both sides were talking trash, and it happens in every game. And Deshazor himself COULDN'T have been jawing much, because he had missed the first half of the game due to suspension.
Posted on 9/1/13 at 8:53 am to Mirthomatic
my opinion is, this was called primarily because the defender had more than enough time to pull out of the hit. but chose not to, and took the shot.
Posted on 9/1/13 at 8:54 am to Mirthomatic
That's not what I'm saying at all.
I'm saying that in the case of a "near hit", refs are going to be forced to use judgement calls to determine "intent".
Trash talking, yes, but there was a LOT last night. Excessive amounts, considering it was Rice.
And it was irrelevant if Deshazor himself did any jawing - he's the one who laid out the hit.
I'm not defending the refs, only giving some insight into why they might throw the flag sometimes and not others - the very ambiguous nature of "intent".
I'm saying that in the case of a "near hit", refs are going to be forced to use judgement calls to determine "intent".
Trash talking, yes, but there was a LOT last night. Excessive amounts, considering it was Rice.
And it was irrelevant if Deshazor himself did any jawing - he's the one who laid out the hit.
I'm not defending the refs, only giving some insight into why they might throw the flag sometimes and not others - the very ambiguous nature of "intent".
Posted on 9/1/13 at 9:02 am to skrayper
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I'm saying that in the case of a "near hit", refs are going to be forced to use judgement calls to determine "intent".
Thing was, it WASN'T a "near hit". It didn't match the definition of targeting at all. I get that you're not defending the refs, but there's ALWAYS going to be trash talking. If refs use that as reason to start calling targeting, then it's going be an even bigger clusterfrick than I'd anticipated.
This post was edited on 9/1/13 at 9:05 am
Posted on 9/1/13 at 9:09 am to crimsontater
If they called it because they thought he had time to pull out after the tip ball then that's crap. That's not the new rule. They could call a personal foul, but not targeting. Not even close to targeting.
Posted on 9/1/13 at 9:18 am to crimsontater
"More than enough time" -- in slow motion, maybe. The player had just tipped the ball a mere instant before the hit. Play was still live, hit was on the numbers and he used mostly shoulder. That's as clean as it gets.
The call and ejection were both terrible and wrong.
The call and ejection were both terrible and wrong.
Posted on 9/1/13 at 9:19 am to skrayper
If u aren't tough enough to play big boy foot ball there is always volley ball. I don't want to see anyone hurt but some times a guy is falling & accidentally hits helmet to helmet.
Posted on 9/1/13 at 9:21 am to skrayper
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Trash talking, yes, but there was a LOT last night. Excessive amounts, considering it was Rice.
Actually there's usually a lot of trash talking in these types of games. Rice players were chirping the whole game, that's just not getting any media play.
Posted on 9/1/13 at 9:43 am to DecaturAU
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If they called it because they thought he had time to pull out after the tip ball then that's crap. That's not the new rule. They could call a personal foul, but not targeting. Not even close to targeting.
Exactly. It's my understanding that there are two kinds of penalties - hitting a defenseless receiver and targeting. This would be a case of hitting a defenseless receiver.
Targeting is specifically designed for shots from the neck up as a means to reduce concussions. Targeting should result whether the player has or doesn't have the ball. So the question here is if the receiver caught that ball, would you think it was a penalty?
This post was edited on 9/1/13 at 9:44 am
Posted on 9/1/13 at 9:45 am to Stuttgart Tiger
There was a really BS call last night of targeting in the Cal game. LB led with his shoulder just below the QB's helmet. He was ejected.
Posted on 9/1/13 at 10:22 am to TigerintheNO
Is there an appeal/review process for this penalty since it affects another game? I would think that if there is, NCAA would overturn the half game suspension after review of the hit and call
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