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Posted on 8/29/15 at 7:27 pm to BadAgg7
Posted on 8/29/15 at 7:27 pm to BadAgg7
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speaking of all time passing yards. what if moon never played in the cfl.
He definitely would have been close that's for damn sure.
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what's up with y.a. tittle from north texas. arguably the best qb lsu had until russell, certainly the best pro lsu has ever produced.
That would have been Bert Jones had he not suffered an injury with the Colts that zapped his arm strength. Don't believe me, listen to Bill Belichick who was an assistant back then with the Colts.
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Due to the NFL's expanded, mandated media availability, Patriots coach Bill Belichick answers more questions and does more talking at the Super Bowl than he does in a month during the regular season.
Remarkably enough, interesting insights have ensued.
Asked the other day who was the best quarterback he ever saw, this three-time Super Bowl-winning coach seemed to indicate that it might have been Bert Jones.
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Bert Jones?
"That's a tough one," Belichick said. "When I was pretty young, Johnny Unitas was very impressive and I loved watching him. I grew up in Annapolis and watched Baltimore play for years and they were kind of my team. Watching Unitas and [Raymond] Berry and Lenny Moore and all the great players that the Colts had there was pretty special. Unitas was pretty good and he was a great leader. I think there are a lot more people probably qualified to answer that than I am."
C'mon, like who?
"I have had the fortunate experience to work with some outstanding quarterbacks. Certainly Phil Simms in New York was a tremendous quarterback for our football team. Tom Brady has been the same here. Vinny [Testaverde] did a great job for us at Cleveland and at the Jets and even in his role here at the Patriots. As a pure passer I don't think I could put anybody ahead of Bert Jones. I know he had a short career and the shoulder injury, but when I was there and he was just starting his career, the success that he had and his ability to throw the ball as a pure passer and as an athlete, it would be hard to put anybody ahead of Bert Jones at that point in time."
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it was cool to watch parcells' 34 defense
Those Giants defenses were definitely some head hunters lead by one of the most dominant defenders to ever play in LT.
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walsh's west coast offense in the 80s.
Walsh didn't actually design the West Coast offense with the 49ers. It was designed when he was under Paul Brown in Cincinnati. Walsh & Brown really ran the typical vertical passing attack that many AFL teams copied from Don Coryell. The Walsh invented the offensive out of necessity because of an injury. I had to go back to a thread on another site I post on to find this because we had a very in depth discussion about this during this past NFL Draft season. It started on Jameis Winston but meandered in other directions.
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The Bengals selected Cook with the fifth overall pick in the 1969 NFL draft and instantly fell in love with his arm, proclaiming him the starter and releasing their starting quarterback from the previous year. Paul Brown, the Hall of Famer who at the time was the Bengals’ head coach and general manager, said, “We believe this young man is the best quarterback prospect in the country.”
Cincinnati started that season 3-0 with Cook leading the way, but in the third win, over eventual Super Bowl champion Kansas City, Cook suffered a serious shoulder injury. He played through the shoulder pain for much of the remainder of that season, but by the end of the year his shoulder was so badly damaged that he would miss the next three seasons, then return to play just one more game before retiring for good.
“I tore my rotator cuff and we didn’t know it at the time because we didn’t have the medical attention that you have today,” Cook recalled years later.
Amazingly, Cook led the league in passer rating, completion percentage, yards per attempt and yards per completion as a rookie playing through a torn rotator cuff. But by the time the season was over and doctors operated, there was little they could do. The relatively primitive surgical procedure used for such injuries in the 1960s required cutting through muscles, which only damaged Cook’s shoulder further.
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In Cincinnati Walsh had a QB named Virgil Carter. The problem was that Carter couldn't throw more than 10-15 yards, but he was highly accurate within that short boundary. To maximize production from Carter, Walsh decided to stretch the field horizontally. He came to the realization that the idea of throwing to a receiver who was not there yet - timing routes - could be nearly unstoppable if the pieces each played their role. Clearly, this has had a dramatic impact on much of the modern game; although only about a third of the teams currently play a West Coast Offense, using the concepts of stretching the field horizontally and/or even more commonly, extensively using timing routes, has become commonplace in the NFL.
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Here's a link to that other site if you interested. It's a Saints based site but there's some good info in that thread.
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Posted on 8/29/15 at 7:50 pm to BigBrod81
yeah, bert jones was the man, but his career did get cut short.
i'm familiar with walsh's coaching lineage, but i didn't know he put it into effect before sf.
parcells had the perfect olb for that defense, no doubt.
nice piece of info on all that.
so what stood out to you most in the 80s? walsh and montana, parcells* and LT(bit of trivia below relating to the 2011 9-6 lsu/bama game), joe gibbs winning the super bowl with three different qbs and the hogs (also an air coryell disciple)(i know it went into the 90s, but w/e) or the miami hurricanes rising to prominence and dominating college football starting with schnellenberger and ending with erikson (i know some 90s).
in super bowl 25, scott norwood was wide right on a 47 yard fg attempt that gave the ny giants the win. at the press conf after the game people where telling parcells how lucky he was, parcells said it had nothing to do with luck. when buffalo started getting close to norwoods range, parcells told his guys not to let buffalo get past the 30, he called aggressive plays against short yardage and said that if buffalo got past the 30 they may as well get to the endzone. he told the reporters that norwoods career long on grass was only 45 yards, that if they could hold em at the 30 they would win. luck had nothing to do with it.
after lsu beat bama in tuscaloosa in 2011, everyone was saying how lucky lsu was that bama missed all those fgs. well, chavis tightened up the defense to defend against short yardage plays while being open to long gains(reids heroics saved lsu as much as chavis' calls) to keep bama from getting within their comfortable fg range. bama missed all those kicks just like they missed em from that range all year. luck had nothing to do with it.
i'm familiar with walsh's coaching lineage, but i didn't know he put it into effect before sf.
parcells had the perfect olb for that defense, no doubt.
nice piece of info on all that.
so what stood out to you most in the 80s? walsh and montana, parcells* and LT(bit of trivia below relating to the 2011 9-6 lsu/bama game), joe gibbs winning the super bowl with three different qbs and the hogs (also an air coryell disciple)(i know it went into the 90s, but w/e) or the miami hurricanes rising to prominence and dominating college football starting with schnellenberger and ending with erikson (i know some 90s).
in super bowl 25, scott norwood was wide right on a 47 yard fg attempt that gave the ny giants the win. at the press conf after the game people where telling parcells how lucky he was, parcells said it had nothing to do with luck. when buffalo started getting close to norwoods range, parcells told his guys not to let buffalo get past the 30, he called aggressive plays against short yardage and said that if buffalo got past the 30 they may as well get to the endzone. he told the reporters that norwoods career long on grass was only 45 yards, that if they could hold em at the 30 they would win. luck had nothing to do with it.
after lsu beat bama in tuscaloosa in 2011, everyone was saying how lucky lsu was that bama missed all those fgs. well, chavis tightened up the defense to defend against short yardage plays while being open to long gains(reids heroics saved lsu as much as chavis' calls) to keep bama from getting within their comfortable fg range. bama missed all those kicks just like they missed em from that range all year. luck had nothing to do with it.
This post was edited on 8/29/15 at 7:57 pm
Posted on 8/29/15 at 8:19 pm to BadAgg7
I remember when Eddie sutton said he would crawl to Kentucky.
Posted on 8/29/15 at 8:38 pm to broadcaster
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Aggies have the most small dick syndrome I've ever seen! They're always getting over on someone or is better than someone! The little dick syndrome runs deep through college station!!!!
thanks for letting us know yours is fricking huge
always nice to know where the big dicked bros are
Posted on 8/29/15 at 8:42 pm to Dr RC
I honestly hadn't a clue about that which he was rambling.
Good on you for taking a stab at that gibberish.
Good on you for taking a stab at that gibberish.
Posted on 8/29/15 at 8:45 pm to Clark14
what's up with that?
Posted on 8/29/15 at 9:04 pm to Dr RC
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thanks for letting us know yours is fricking huge
always nice to know where the big dicked bros are
What?
Posted on 8/29/15 at 9:09 pm to ChiTownBammer
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What?
The particular Louisiana State University poster in question appeared to insinuate that his tallywhacker was larger in length or girth (he failed to specify) than that of your average poster of Texas A&M University affiliation.
Dr RC, out of courtesy, deigned to congratulate said Louisiana State University poster on his impressive member, as Aggies are rumored to have a deep appreciation for such.
Posted on 8/29/15 at 9:32 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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The particular Louisiana State University poster in question appeared to insinuate that his tallywhacker was larger in length or girth (he failed to specify) than that of your average poster of Texas A&M University affiliation.
Dr RC, out of courtesy, deigned to congratulate said Louisiana State University poster on his impressive member, as Aggies are rumored to have a deep appreciation for such.
Ahhh.....I...see.
Posted on 8/29/15 at 9:35 pm to ChiTownBammer
dr rc simply posted the long version of
ooookaaaaay.
the point of all this is why was said lsu fan bringing up dicks alone at his keyboard on a saturday night (or any night for that matter).
ooookaaaaay.
the point of all this is why was said lsu fan bringing up dicks alone at his keyboard on a saturday night (or any night for that matter).
This post was edited on 8/29/15 at 9:38 pm
Posted on 8/29/15 at 9:39 pm to BadAgg7
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so what stood out to you most in the 80s? walsh and montana, parcells* and LT(
Walsh not winning more Super Bowls. What made him great ended up being his biggest detriment. Walsh was always a huge perfectionist but it also lead to paranoia.
Every team that called Paul Brown & the Bengals to inquire about Walsh being their head coach was met with a warning from Brown that said Walsh would burn himself out from his own doing. He should have actually been the the head coach of the Packers but they backed off after Brown's warning. The 49ers a year or two later decided to roll the dice anyway.
Walsh drove himself crazy during 49ers last Super Bowl under him. He believed in getting rid of players before their skills began to deteriorate. 87-88, Bill thought Montana was beginning to show those signs so he shuffled between Montana & Young. The shuffling back & forth caused the 49ers to be an up & down team until finally late in the season Walsh decided to just go with Montana. It was the right decision. Still though, the season drained him. He felt he failed to motivate his team the majority of the season so he retired after the Super Bowl. I believe he had also tried to retire twice before that but he was talked out of it by members of his staff. Those Super Bowls credited to Seifert should have been Walsh's.
Also what if the the Steelers don't pass on Dan Marino in the 1983 draft. Marino & Elway were supposed to go one/two but rumors of cocaine usage & low wonderlic by Marino caused him to drop. Dan Rooney later admitted to his decision passing on Marino to be a mistake. Not only was it a mistake but Terry Bradshaw hurt his elbow that same season ending his career.
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"My 75 Years With The Pittsburgh Steelers And The NFL" answers some of the great mysteries, like why the Steelers did not pick University of Pittsburgh quarterback Dan Marino in the 1983 draft.
Rooney writes that he was ready to draft Marino at the urging of a local sports writer, but "I made a mistake. Instead of telling our (front office) I thought it up myself, I told them it was (the writer's) idea. And that was the end of it."
Years later, in 2005, that earlier misstep influenced Rooney's draft-day strategy.
"I couldn't bear the thought of passing on another great quarterback prospect the way we had passed on Dan Marino in 1983, so I steered the conversation around to (Ben) Roethlisberger," Rooney writes in the book.
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luck had nothing to do with it.
Name any champion in college or pro & you will find a bit of luck that occurred at some point in that championship season. There's nothing wrong with saying that. Good/great teams create their own luck. Here's two examples I can think of right off the top of my head.
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parcells* and LT
Oh & this guy was the real architect of those Giants defenses.
This post was edited on 8/29/15 at 9:46 pm
Posted on 8/29/15 at 9:42 pm to BadAgg7
Got it. Thank you.
Posted on 8/29/15 at 9:58 pm to BigBrod81
wow man. you really know your history. i'm learnin stuff all night here. very interesting tidbits on walsh. i thought he just got tired of the pro game, the grind, but i wasn't really sure why.
i never knew that about marino (was always an elway fan, wore number 7). talk about a "what if". damn. i'm glad they didn't draft him, lol. cowboys are already 1 superbowl behind the steelers as it is.
there's definitely luck, like, a LOT of luck, though i'm apprehensive to say anything our boy ed reed does is luck, but yeah, dude was very opportunistic at times (also my fav defensive player of all time, and maybe the best leader).
those two specific instances i pointed out weren't luck. there may always be some chance involved with things, but the missed fgs by buffalo and bama weren't the product of bad luck on their part or good luck on lsu or nys part. that's coaching. calculating the situation and executing. but sure, always a "chance" or "luck" in things.
i hereby declare you, under no real authority, historian of tRant.
impressive stuff sir.
edit:you might wanna read up on who drew up the modern day 3-4. wasn't belichik, even though he may have been a better coach.
i never knew that about marino (was always an elway fan, wore number 7). talk about a "what if". damn. i'm glad they didn't draft him, lol. cowboys are already 1 superbowl behind the steelers as it is.
there's definitely luck, like, a LOT of luck, though i'm apprehensive to say anything our boy ed reed does is luck, but yeah, dude was very opportunistic at times (also my fav defensive player of all time, and maybe the best leader).
those two specific instances i pointed out weren't luck. there may always be some chance involved with things, but the missed fgs by buffalo and bama weren't the product of bad luck on their part or good luck on lsu or nys part. that's coaching. calculating the situation and executing. but sure, always a "chance" or "luck" in things.
i hereby declare you, under no real authority, historian of tRant.
impressive stuff sir.
edit:you might wanna read up on who drew up the modern day 3-4. wasn't belichik, even though he may have been a better coach.
This post was edited on 8/29/15 at 10:00 pm
Posted on 8/29/15 at 9:59 pm to RedStick84
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Rumlin calling anyone out for drinking is ridiculous.
So why would that be? You sound like a sip.
Posted on 8/29/15 at 10:01 pm to BadAgg7
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i hereby declare you, under no real authority, historian of tRant.
I'm just a football junkie bro.
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you might wanna read up on who drew up the modern day 3-4. wasn't belichik, even though he may have been a better coach.
That one is too easy.
Hank Stram was the first to use it but it didn't become popular until later. I think Bill Arnsparger used it when he coached the Dolphins. Buddy Ryan's 46 defense was a version of the 3-4 even down to the Jack LB which Nick Saban uses in his 3-4. Saban learned the 3-4 coaching under Belichick in Cleveland but I'm sure Belichick "borrowed" some of his schemes from the Ryan's 46.This post was edited on 8/29/15 at 10:13 pm
Posted on 8/29/15 at 10:03 pm to BigBrod81
i hear ya. just givin props.
Posted on 8/29/15 at 10:20 pm to BadAgg7
This guy was the reason for Stram experimenting with the 3-4. Hall of Famer Bobby Bell was so versatile as a LB, Stram had to find away to get the most of him. It didn't hurt that those Chief's teams had some beast upfront like "Big Cat" Ernie Ladd & Buck Buchanan to eat up blockers.
Posted on 8/29/15 at 10:32 pm to BigBrod81
the earliest i've seen the 3-4 run as a base defense was bud wilkinson at ou in the 40s, though it may have been before that (and was closer to a 50 at times).
parcells starting incorporating it when he was an assistant at wichita state, i think in the mid 60s.
obviously it's been refined over and over and used in various ways, but i think it's origins are in the 1940s at ou. i could be wrong.
i'm gonna have to read up on a lot of stuff, haven't touched a football book since i quit coaching in 2008.
i believe you are correct about stram as far as the pros go. shula and arnsparger did runa 3-4 with miami.
edit: that was parcells 3-4 in ny. he's the one that switched ny to the 3-4 as a defensive coordinator. he had been working with the 3-4 before belichik got out of high school.
parcells starting incorporating it when he was an assistant at wichita state, i think in the mid 60s.
obviously it's been refined over and over and used in various ways, but i think it's origins are in the 1940s at ou. i could be wrong.
i'm gonna have to read up on a lot of stuff, haven't touched a football book since i quit coaching in 2008.
i believe you are correct about stram as far as the pros go. shula and arnsparger did runa 3-4 with miami.
edit: that was parcells 3-4 in ny. he's the one that switched ny to the 3-4 as a defensive coordinator. he had been working with the 3-4 before belichik got out of high school.
This post was edited on 8/29/15 at 10:38 pm
Posted on 8/30/15 at 1:59 am to BadAgg7
This is all sort of funny. Sumlin is a bad football coach
Posted on 8/30/15 at 7:23 am to BadAgg7
Sumlin is quite a jerk with no hardware. Can't wait until Mr. Case Manziel flames out and gets canned.
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