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South Carolina fans, why was Richard Bell fired in 1982 after just one year?

Posted on 8/13/14 at 1:08 pm
Posted by I-59 Tiger
Vestavia Hills, AL
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 8/13/14 at 1:08 pm
guy was 4-7 but it wasn't like South Carolina had been a national power with one bowl after another.

Seems odd.
Posted by Bluefin
The Banana Stand
Member since Apr 2011
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Posted on 8/13/14 at 1:22 pm to
IIRC, he tried to sacrifice our kicker to the gods in exchange for a win vs. Clemson. Didn't work.

Administration didn't like that move much.
Posted by agswin
The Republic of Texas
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 8/13/14 at 1:33 pm to
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Administration didn't like that move much.


come on....it was only a kicker.
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 8/13/14 at 1:35 pm to
He lost games he shouldn't have, plain and simple.

In short, he lost to Duke and he lost to Furman ... which was totally unacceptable. He almost lost to Navy, but he was already done by then. He was strictly interim.

We hired Joe Morrison the next year and he turned us around.

The guy Coach Bell replaced (Jim Carlen), who was run out of town by some assholes, has gone down as one of our best ever. He was a winner who knew how to recruit trench warfare guys. Plus he had George Rogers' Heisman.

We had bad leadership at the very top back then, at President, in James Holderman. And the bad leadership trickled-down and caused problems through-out the university. Holderman was a raging hypocrite and he did Jim Carlen wrong.

He did Frank McGuire wrong as well.

Holderman was a pox upon us and it took a long time to get-over the damage he did ... much like what Tennessee is experiencing now.

But Bell was always the interim coach and he knew it. Carlen was fired well after the 81 season when it was discovered that he was having an affair with a cheerleader ... long story. They stayed married until his death a few years ago.

But Bell was Carlen's DB coach so he got the job only on an interim trial basis.

Two years after Bell was fired, Morrison took us to our first 10-win season in '84 and we shite the bed up at Navy after suffering a lot of personnel losses in the win over FSU the week before.

Morrison went on to field probably our best team, talent wise in '87, before the famous Tommy Chaiken steroid scandal broke midseason in October of '88 in Sports Illustrated. LINK

That really hurt us as almost our entire recruiting class bailed on us in the face of coming sanctions and we were still recovering when we joined the SEC in '92.

Morrison died of a heart attack while taking a shower after playing racquetball ... he was still our coach at the time.

We hired Sparky Woods as HC, hired a new AD, an alumn named King Dixon who had played ball at SC and was an ex Marine officer ... he got things squared away and got us into the SEC and then Mike McGee took over as AD.

McGee fired Sparky (who is now at VMI), and hired the hottest young asst coach in the country at the time ... outta FSU, Brad Scott. FSU and Scott had just won the MNC with Charlie Ward. But Scott turned-out to be a lazy no good tub of shite ... so McGee hired Holtz to turn us around, and he did. Then McGee hired Spurrier after the Carolina-Clemson brawl of 2004.

McGee then retired, he had been the AD at SoCal prior to joining us in '92 and he really got us on the right track. He also hired Ray Tanner as our baseball coach.

At any rate, we're on the right track now ... but it's been a long haul.
This post was edited on 8/13/14 at 2:03 pm
Posted by Tiger Live2
Westwego, LA
Member since Mar 2012
9590 posts
Posted on 8/13/14 at 1:40 pm to
quote:

IIRC, he tried to sacrifice our kicker to the gods in exchange for a win vs. Clemson. Didn't work. 

Explain more please.
Posted by I-59 Tiger
Vestavia Hills, AL
Member since Sep 2003
36703 posts
Posted on 8/13/14 at 1:49 pm to
quote:

But Bell was Carlen's DB coach so he got the job only on an interim trial basis.


Was that clear going in to '82? BTW, wasn't Red Wilson at Duke? Regardless Tennessee had an interim Jim McDonald in 1963 and Ole Miss had the no socks guy with the Jim Bob type name (can't remember) in '94.
Posted by winyahpercy
Georgetown, South Carolina
Member since Nov 2010
1383 posts
Posted on 8/13/14 at 1:57 pm to
quote:

In short, he lost to Duke (Spurrier) and he lost to Furman ... which was totally unacceptable. He almost lost to Navy, but he was already done by then. He was strictly interim


Spurrier didn't come to Duke until 1987. Bell was an interim coach that lost to Furman. Carlen was fired because he wouldn't go along w/ Holderman shifting athletic dept. funds into his slush account. The cheerleader story was probably true but not the reason. When we hired Joe Morrison, the university provided house for both he and his wife as well as another apartment for his mistress.
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 8/13/14 at 2:00 pm to
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Was that clear going in to '82? BTW, wasn't Red Wilson at Duke?


That was clear going-in. He was told he was interim and on a trial basis ... and he got a fair shot.

And come to think of it your are right, Wilson was the HC at Duke. I dunno why I was thinking about our series in the later 80s with Duke when Spurrier was the HC. Matter of fact, Spurrier's only opening day loss as a college HC came to South Carolina in 88 I think it was.

Also ironically, Wilson had replaced Mike McGee, who would later become our AD, as HC at Duke. McGee had won the Outland Trophy while an OLineman at Duke in the late 50s.
Posted by I-59 Tiger
Vestavia Hills, AL
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 8/13/14 at 2:07 pm to
thanks,great post.
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 8/13/14 at 2:22 pm to
quote:

Bell was an interim coach that lost to Furman. Carlen was fired because he wouldn't go along w/ Holderman shifting athletic dept. funds into his slush account. The cheerleader story was probably true but not the reason. When we hired Joe Morrison, the university provided house for both he and his wife as well as another apartment for his mistress.


Actually ... well, as I typed earlier, "long story." But I'll try to hit on the salient points very quickly.

There was a lot of political infighting in the early seventies. Dietzel had gotten us out of the ACC after a long protracted legal battle with Tobacco Road in which we won ... that was over both a football player (Freddie Soloman) and a basketball player whose name escapes me at the moment.

There was some political infighting, but most between the BoTs, not Dietzel and McGuire as has been reported. But in '75 we hire Carlen and he also assumes duties as AD, as Dietzel had. Now, there was some bad blood between McGuire and Carlen but not nearly as bad as Herman Helms tried to report it being. I knew both McGuire and Carlen very well and they were very amiable to one another and had a great deal of respect for one another.

The real problem began in '76 when the ACC invited us back to the league, and McGuire wanted to go while Carlen was adamantly against it. Besides, the ACC wanted a million dollars "buy back in" fee and Carlen basically told them to pound sand up their asses.

In '77 the scum bag Holderman was hired and he immediately set about to take power away from Carlen ... so he hired some PIs to dig stuff up on Carlen, but Carlen was squeaky clean.

Holderman was forked-tongue mind you. He first allied himself with Carlen in an effort to get rid of McGuire, but McGuire beat Holderman in the power play and Carlen had managed to stay relatively clean with the BoTs during the entire fight. Had Holderman not been such a fund raiser at the time, he would have been fired quite honestly, but money talked.

Carlen continued to build the program and, in doing so, the fans got behind him and supported him over Holderman. McGuire was eventually forced-out and Holderman hired Bill Foster away from Duke to take over our basketball program. Bobby Richardson was our baseball coach and Pam Parsons was our women's basketball coach ... we were hitting on all four cylinders in the eyes of most of our fans.

Foster bombed, and Parsons was busted for having an affair with a player, Tina Buck LINK ... whom she too is still living with to this day. But Parsons had us in elite air in women's basketball. Bobby Richardson was busy taking us to our first CWS championship games in '75 and '77 ... and Jim Carlen was winning big games and produced a Heisman Winner in '80.

All the while a former Texas Tech beat writer got in touch with Herman Helms (State Newspaper Columnist and ardent SCAR hater) about a rumor that Carlen had an affair with a cheerleader while at Texas Tech. Helms told Holderman and Holderman got the private investigator back on the trail of Carlen ... and sure enough, Carlen was having an affair with a former Gamecock cheerleader who had since graduated.

That was all the scandal Holderman needed in the wake of the Pam Parsons scandal, and while AD funds did play into the overall scheme of things ... it was strictly political, and a power move on Holderman's part ... that led to Carlen being fired. Holderman was losing the money issue ... but he won on the moral issue because our BoTs were still reeling from the Parsons scandal with Tina Buck.

Sparky Woods was considered the squeaky clean solution ... he had just won a National Championship at App State if I remember correctly, and he was known as a devout Christian who often preached, sermon type, to his players.

All the while Holderman was hitting on college boys who were working for him ... taking them on lavish trips, giving them expensive gift and hob-nobbing with celebrities, all on the university's tab.

Holderman would eventually resign in shame and would later face multiple charges for a plethora of different things and would end-up serving time in a federal prison until the age of 70. Where he is now or what he is doing now I do not know. Last I heard he was living in the Lexington area, very low key, may have even changed his name, I dunno.
This post was edited on 8/13/14 at 2:42 pm
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 8/13/14 at 2:42 pm to
quote:

thanks,great post.


You're welcome.

What made you ask the question, if I may ask?
Posted by ConwayGamecock
South Carolina
Member since Jan 2012
9121 posts
Posted on 8/13/14 at 2:46 pm to
quote:

Was that clear going in to '82? BTW, wasn't Red Wilson at Duke? Regardless Tennessee had an interim Jim McDonald in 1963 and Ole Miss had the no socks guy with the Jim Bob type name (can't remember) in '94.

quote:

Spurrier didn't come to Duke until 1987. Bell was an interim coach that lost to Furman. Carlen was fired because he wouldn't go along w/ Holderman shifting athletic dept. funds into his slush account. The cheerleader story was probably true but not the reason. When we hired Joe Morrison, the university provided house for both he and his wife as well as another apartment for his mistress.


Actually, all of y'all were correct to an extent. Spurrier was at Duke, but as Wilson's Offensive Coordinator, so in a sense Bell-led USC lost to Wilson AND Spurrier. After that season, Spurrier was hired into his first head coaching stint, as HC of the USFL Tampa Bay Bandits. When the USFL folded under, Wilson by then was retiring, and Duke re-hired Spurrier, this time as Wilson's replacement as head coach....

This post was edited on 8/13/14 at 2:47 pm
Posted by winyahpercy
Georgetown, South Carolina
Member since Nov 2010
1383 posts
Posted on 8/13/14 at 3:44 pm to
quote:

When the USFL folded under, Wilson by then was retiring, and Duke re-hired Spurrier


actually, Steve Sloan coached Duke after Wilson and before Spurrier
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