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re: So did FL catcher block plate illegally or not?
Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:13 pm to bayourougebengal
Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:13 pm to bayourougebengal
link to that please. I would like to read that.
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:14 pm to bayourougebengal
You dont know the rules. Only lsu fans do.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:14 pm to bayourougebengal
You dont know the rules. Only lsu fans do.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:19 pm to lsuag88
That's obstruction all day long. It is not even close.
You won't see many calls by umpires though because they want to continue their careers.
Would take an injury type class action law action suit like head injuries in football for you to see the call much.
You won't see many calls by umpires though because they want to continue their careers.
Would take an injury type class action law action suit like head injuries in football for you to see the call much.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:29 pm to mylsuhat
The catcher can block the plate if he is in the process of receiving the ball, this picture clearly shows that he is in that process, and where his left foot is, doesn't indicate that the "plate is block", just on the line.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:30 pm to bayourougebengal
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By the rules of baseball, a runner has the right to an unobstructed path to a base. However, this right is not granted if the fielder guarding the base possesses the ball or is in the process of catching the ball.
this
Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:37 pm to HottyToddy7
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No thats stupid. Thats like taking away punts in football because of injuries.
Whats stupid is how you concluded that I was referring to injuries when I never mentioned injuries...
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Wrong. As long as the ball beats the runner you are good
You just validated my statement...
Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:37 pm to lsuag88
I didn't see the play live, but here is how it is taught-
On a possible tag play at the plate, the catcher should put his left heel on the front 3B corner of the plate with his left foot pointed directly down the 3B foul line. This gives the runner an unobstructed path to the back of the plate. Once the catcher receives the ball, he can take away as much of the plate as necessary to make the tag by moving his left foot slightly further into foul territory and dropping his right knee. The left shin guard is what the runner slides into, thus protecting the catcher.
Judging by the still shot on page 1 in the thread, he appeared to be in pretty decent position.
On a possible tag play at the plate, the catcher should put his left heel on the front 3B corner of the plate with his left foot pointed directly down the 3B foul line. This gives the runner an unobstructed path to the back of the plate. Once the catcher receives the ball, he can take away as much of the plate as necessary to make the tag by moving his left foot slightly further into foul territory and dropping his right knee. The left shin guard is what the runner slides into, thus protecting the catcher.
Judging by the still shot on page 1 in the thread, he appeared to be in pretty decent position.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:43 pm to TroyTider
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That's obstruction all day long. It is not even close.
You clearly don't know the rules then.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:45 pm to HottyToddy7
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link to that please. I would like to read that.
LINK
Also keep seeing people talk about collisions at the plate. This rule differs by level. In college it has to be below the waist.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:49 pm to roadGator
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You dont know the rules. Only lsu fans do.
I am one Posted on 5/26/16 at 2:19 pm to GenesChin
Catcher is clearly in the baseline before the throw arrives. Catcher's positioning impedes the runner.
Too bad you are in favor of allowing fielders, without fear of impunity, to stand in the base line without the ball.
Too bad you are in favor of allowing fielders, without fear of impunity, to stand in the base line without the ball.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 2:35 pm to bayourougebengal
Based on this, it looks like the catcher's left foot is in the way (and the basepath) well before the ball arrives, and the runner is there.
What's the official rule on this? And, is it different at home than at other bases?
Posted on 5/26/16 at 2:54 pm to Scoob
You've focused in on the issue I think. I've read the rules which seem to be different in HS, college, and MLB, and even then they seem to change. I saw one version which said the catcher was allowed to block the plate provided he was in the process of catching the ball which was interpreted to mean when the ball had broken the plane of the infield from the thrower. But does anyone have a link to the current college rule in effect? Another version I read said the catcher had to have the ball in his possession before he could block the plate.
Edit-I'll add in this link. LINK
Edit-I'll add in this link. LINK
This post was edited on 5/26/16 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 5/26/16 at 3:37 pm to Scoob
He's allowed to get into position to make a play on the ball. A baseball covers a lot of distance in a very short time, so really he's not there early. Also, it's the runner's responsibility to attempt to avoid contact, and he could have slid around the catcher.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 3:49 pm to joeytiger
That Florida team carries themselves like they are baseball royalty. Acting like a bunch of bleeding Clams as soon as LSU starting putting runs on the board. It was sad and hilarious all at the same time. That Puke kid was legit, but the mood swings that followed when he started getting hit, and his team started losing, made him look like a fat teenage girl who didn't get asked to prom. Great game though Florida, worth staying up for.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 3:52 pm to Jumbo_Gumbo
Posted on 5/26/16 at 3:57 pm to bayourougebengal
Just in looking at the linked rule you first have to determine whether blocking occurred. It has two components--obstruction of the baseline and proximity of the runner to home plate. I think any obstruction of the baseline iis blocking whether it is a leg, whole body, or whatever. Then reference is made to attempting to score which means the runner is in near proximity to home plate about to score. So if you have those two things together blocking has occurred.
Next did the catcher have possession of the ball prior to the blocking transpiring. If so then the runner would be out by contact. If not then the runner would be safe unless the catcher could not have caught the ball but for blocking the baseline. I understand that to mean that he really couldn't have made the catch unless he had to obstruct the baseline to make it. That would normally apply where a throw comes in from left field and the catcher had to get into the baseline to catch the ball (or on some throws at least).
Here I don't think the catcher had the ball in his possession at the time the blocking occurred and he could have caught the ball without obstructing the baseline so the runner should be ruled safe. I wouldn't have necessarily thought so before reading the rule and admittedly it is a tough call.
Next did the catcher have possession of the ball prior to the blocking transpiring. If so then the runner would be out by contact. If not then the runner would be safe unless the catcher could not have caught the ball but for blocking the baseline. I understand that to mean that he really couldn't have made the catch unless he had to obstruct the baseline to make it. That would normally apply where a throw comes in from left field and the catcher had to get into the baseline to catch the ball (or on some throws at least).
Here I don't think the catcher had the ball in his possession at the time the blocking occurred and he could have caught the ball without obstructing the baseline so the runner should be ruled safe. I wouldn't have necessarily thought so before reading the rule and admittedly it is a tough call.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 4:03 pm to piggilicious
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i have no idea but i don't like blocking the plate being illegal.
i don't like the rule where a runner cannot, under any circumstance, run over a catcher blocking the plate. can't have it both ways.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 4:07 pm to lsufball19
What? I think you can have it both ways because both should be ok/ runner and catcher both going at it/ one to stop the run and the other to earn it.
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