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Since we're reliving Iron Bowls today, here's a rivalry game question
Posted on 4/6/17 at 10:57 am
Posted on 4/6/17 at 10:57 am
How often does a traditional season-ending rivalry feature national championship implications for BOTH teams?
I can think of at least three IBs that fit that description:
1971, 2010 and 2013.
Obviously Florida-FSU had a couple in the '90s that qualified, as have Nebraska-Oklahoma and tOSU-Michigan in the not-too-distant past, but how many others can you think of?
I can think of at least three IBs that fit that description:
1971, 2010 and 2013.
Obviously Florida-FSU had a couple in the '90s that qualified, as have Nebraska-Oklahoma and tOSU-Michigan in the not-too-distant past, but how many others can you think of?
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Posted on 4/6/17 at 10:58 am to FearlessFreep
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How often does a traditional season-ending rivalry feature national championship implications for BOTH teams?
I can think of at least three IBs that fit that description:
1971, 2010 and 2013.
Our title implications were done after losing to LSU.
Posted on 4/6/17 at 10:59 am to FearlessFreep
quote:we won the West against UGA that year. Bama already had two losses (USC, LSU) going into the game
2010
Posted on 4/6/17 at 11:01 am to FearlessFreep
quote:Crap, forgot about that - was thinking of the fact that Bama was defending their 2009 title.
Bama already had two losses (USC, LSU) going into the game
Okay, so it's only two then. Question remains, what other traditional rivalries have had games of such import recently?
Posted on 4/6/17 at 11:04 am to FearlessFreep
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How often does a traditional season-ending rivalry feature national championship implications for BOTH teams?
I can think of at least three IBs that fit that description:
1971, 2010 and 2013.
2010 Alabama wasn't even going to Atlanta with a win in that season's iron bowl. It was Orange Bowl bound with an at-large.
1971 Auburn wasn't winning either. They were #6 entering that game. Even if auburn had beaten Alabama, Nebraska and Oklahoma would have been the recipient of votes.
Ultimately Nebraska beat Alabama in the Orange Bowl for the title. Although some polls had already awarded Nebraska anyway.
This post was edited on 4/6/17 at 11:15 am
Posted on 4/6/17 at 11:08 am to FearlessFreep
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Okay, so it's only two then. Question remains, what other traditional rivalries have had games of such import recently?
Nothing consistently. 2013 iron bowl. Ohio State-Michigan in 2006 and 2016. You mentioned Florida and Florida State in 1990s.
Posted on 4/6/17 at 11:11 am to CapstoneGrad06
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1971 Auburn wasn't winning either. They were #6 entering that game. Even if auburn had beaten Alabama, Nebraska and Oklahoma would have been the recipient of votes.
Umm, the only undefeated teams would have been Nebraska, Michigan and Auburn, had AU won. Oklahoma lost to Nebraska
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Posted on 4/6/17 at 11:14 am to NYCAuburn
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Umm, the only two undefeated teams would have been Nebraska and Auburn, had AU won. Oklahoma lost to Nebraska
You're assuming AU jumps that high. The UPI was still awarding at season's end in 1971. Not sure when the AP was awarding then. They weren't consistent until the mid-70s.
You're also assuming Auburn would have been able to get a shot at Nebraska in the bowl. Strict tie ins didn't exist then either.
Posted on 4/6/17 at 11:16 am to CapstoneGrad06
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You're assuming AU jumps that high.
Well Alabama jumped with the win, so...
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You're also assuming Auburn would have been able to get a shot at Nebraska in the bowl. Strict tie ins didn't exist then either.
Umm...Like the Sugar bowl tie in that bama was supposed to go to but opted for the orange bowl. yeah crazy assumptions considering the wining team of that game did all of those things...
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Not sure when the AP was awarding then. They weren't consistent until the mid-70s.
it was '68This post was edited on 4/6/17 at 11:23 am
Posted on 4/6/17 at 11:21 am to NYCAuburn
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Well Alabama jumped with the win, so...
From 3 to 2. Quite a bit different than 5 to 2.
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Umm...Like the Sugar bowl tie in that bama was supposed to go to but opted for the orange bowl. yeah crazy assumptions considering the wining team of that game did all of those things...
Let's assume Jordan pulled the right strings too. Is AU going to jump other undefeated teams entering bowls? Namely Michigan. Somehow overtake Nebraska for polls awarded before bowls? Nebraska was #1 from September on that season.
Posted on 4/6/17 at 11:24 am to CapstoneGrad06
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From 3 to 2. Quite a bit different than 5 to 2.
yeah, beating another undefeated team will do that, see the AP
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Let's assume Jordan pulled the right strings too. Is AU going to jump other undefeated teams entering bowls? Namely Michigan. Somehow overtake Nebraska for polls awarded before bowls? Nebraska was #1 from September on that season.
You are sure lil bro'ing up this thread with your crimson glasses. I guess everyone should just admit, no other team can do what bama does, right 
Posted on 4/6/17 at 11:28 am to NYCAuburn
Actually it's a view that Southern teams were still being punished if any other program from the Big Ten, PAC 8, or Big 8 could remotely be considered. SEC teams were playing some very solid OOC schedules to remain in the hunt.
And when you look at the fact both Alabama and Auburn were destroyed in their bowl matchups, it's clear Nebraska and Oklahoma were the two clear cut teams in 1971.
And when you look at the fact both Alabama and Auburn were destroyed in their bowl matchups, it's clear Nebraska and Oklahoma were the two clear cut teams in 1971.
Posted on 4/6/17 at 11:40 am to NYCAuburn
quote:An Iron Bowl victory would have put AU at #3 going into the bowls. If memory serves, the Orange and Sugar committees had a gentlemen's agreement to match up the winners of the two big rivalry games (Bama-AU and OU-Nebraska) with the Orange getting the two winners.
Let's assume Jordan pulled the right strings too. Is AU going to jump other undefeated teams entering bowls? Namely Michigan. Somehow overtake Nebraska for polls awarded before bowls? Nebraska was #1 from September on that season.
Michigan would certainly would have been #2, but since they lost the Rose Bowl to a 3-loss Stanford team, they wouldn't have mattered in the NC rankings.
tl;dr - the Iron Bowl winner would have won the AP championship by beating UPI #1 Nebraska.
ETA: Bleacher Report, I know, but here's an article explaining the "virtual playoff" in '71.
This post was edited on 4/6/17 at 11:44 am
Posted on 4/6/17 at 11:42 am to FearlessFreep
No one mentioning 2011 NCG?
Posted on 4/6/17 at 11:44 am to geauxnavybeatbama
quote:What? Auburn went 7-5 in 2011, there were no national championship implications between UA/AU in that '11 Iron Bowl.
No one mentioning 2011 NCG?
Posted on 4/6/17 at 11:49 am to FearlessFreep
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tl;dr - the Iron Bowl winner would have won the AP championship by beating UPI #1 Nebraska.
I guess I thought the point of the OP was a clear path, control own destiny, after a rivalry game win. Like the 2013 game. But comparing 2013 to 1971 isn't exactly easy.
Posted on 4/6/17 at 12:17 pm to FearlessFreep
LSU-Arkansas in 2011
Posted on 4/6/17 at 1:19 pm to NYCAuburn
quote:Pretty much. I mean, that's the argument made on here all the time. Auburn couldn't even get into the championship in 2004 after going undefeated in the SEC.
I guess everyone should just admit, no other team can do what bama does, right
Posted on 4/6/17 at 1:37 pm to CapstoneGrad06
quote:The winner of the 1971 Iron Bowl was going to meet the Nebraska - OU winner, regardless of which two teams emerged victorious. Which is exactly what happened, and would have happened even if AU and OU had won. Can't get any clearer than that.
I guess I thought the point of the OP was a clear path, control own destiny, after a rivalry game win. Like the 2013 game. But comparing 2013 to 1971 isn't exactly easy.
That said, in retrospect it's obvious that the real NC game that season was the Huskers vs the Sooners. They were easily the two best teams.
Posted on 4/6/17 at 1:45 pm to NYCAuburn
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You are sure lil bro'ing up this thread with your crimson glasses. I guess everyone should just admit, no other team can do what bama does, right
No one considers Alabama lil bro, bro.
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