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re: Since 2009 Kentucky has had 28 NBA drafted players. Second most team is 14.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 3:27 pm to BluegrassBelle
Posted on 3/27/17 at 3:27 pm to BluegrassBelle
quote:and being 1 for 3 in the playoff really isnt that bad either
And a good part of those weren't in a playoff format.
im not saying cal is underachieving because he isnt, i just think pointing to saban losing this past year is just a bad example
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Posted on 3/27/17 at 3:28 pm to WestCoastAg
Honestly, it's the perfect example because it's just as absurd as the expectation that Calipari should win one every year because of the talent he recruits.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 3:29 pm to lsufball19
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Jim Calhoun - 45 years coaching, 3 titles
Rick Pitino - 32 years coaching, 2 titles
Roy Williams - 44 years coaching, 2 titles
Tom Izzo - 44 years coaching, 1 title
Bill Self - 24 years coaching, 1 title
Jim Boeheim - 41 years coaching, 1 title
Mike Krzyzewski - 42 years coaching, 5 titles
John Calipari - 27 years coaching, 1 title
Billy Donavan
Posted on 3/27/17 at 3:30 pm to BluegrassBelle
cal would not be having this conversation if he won a title a third of the time hes made the tournament with kentucky
its really not a perfect example
its really not a perfect example
Posted on 3/27/17 at 3:34 pm to GIbson05
If college football had a 12 team playoff, saban would have only won 1 national title at bammer.
He can't coach against good teams, back to back.
The weak SEC has helped him greatly.
He can't coach against good teams, back to back.
The weak SEC has helped him greatly.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 3:34 pm to WestCoastAg
Sure it is. You already have people claiming the Alabama dynasty is over because of a loss in a playoff to a very good Clemson team.
And if he won the tournament a third of the time he's made the tournament he'd have more titles than all but one of his peers.
And if he won the tournament a third of the time he's made the tournament he'd have more titles than all but one of his peers.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 3:36 pm to BluegrassBelle
quote:and those people are LSU posters that leak over here from the tiger rant
You already have people claiming the Alabama dynasty is over because of a loss in a playoff to a very good Clemson team.
quote:and saban has more titles than all of his piers and is in a three way tie for most playoff championships
And if he won the tournament a third of the time he's made the tournament he'd have more titles than all but one of his peers.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 3:43 pm to lsufball19
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baseball is definitely tougher than football but you're still not in a single elimination format like you are in basketball
This. Single Elimination tournaments are great equalizers... I won a shite load of tennis matches and tournaments against elite players that went on to go pro as a junior... I'm not a professional caliber player nor was I ever likely to be.
8 Elite 8s in 9 years is pretty damn impressive. 4 final 4s... he's "in contention" every season, and nearly half of the time he's got a team that is in the top 4, regardless of the fact that they're younger and less mature than their opponents in almost every case. It's certainly possible that he isn't a great gameday coach, but his approach is different, and I'm fairly confident that literally any program in the country would be ok with his results (maybe not the approach to get there though). Duke might have more titles, but they've also gotten bounced out of the tournament early much more often in the last 9 years.
This post was edited on 3/27/17 at 3:45 pm
Posted on 3/27/17 at 3:48 pm to GIbson05
This is why I hate single elimination so much for basketball. All it takes is one bad game and all of sudden so-and-so sucks, is overrated, chokes, etc.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 4:02 pm to Korin
It's hard to win with that many 1 and done guys and having to rebuild every year, but the John Wall, Cousins, Bledsoe team and the KAT & devin booker team should not have lost a game. Those 2 lineups were ridiculous. If you could have an NBA team of all Kentucky players, they would be the best team in the NBA. Wall, Booker KAT, Davis, Cousins, Bledsoe, Kidd-Gilchrist, Murray, Randle, Noel, Knight, and Ulis. That team would be incredible.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 4:26 pm to Mr6daveyobrians
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NBA prospects =/= college talent
Sure as hell helps, though. These kids are going to UK to do the one-and-done route because they know Cal will give new kids substantial playing time to show off for the NBA.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 4:31 pm to BluegrassBelle
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The argument is because Cal hasn't won a National Championship multiple times in a 64 team tournament that he's underachieved.
People need to stop pretending the chances are 1 in 64. The lowest seed to ever win the title was an 8. Once, unless I'm missing something. So that puts the reasonable odds at an absolute baseline of 1-32. Then start counting upwards to name how many teams from each seed above 8 have won 30 some-odd years of the current format. I'm guessing, when all is said and done, the huge amount of talent UK has actually demonstrates that they've bucked the odds by only winning once.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 5:06 pm to randomways
The whole having kids for one year and losing them makes it incredibly difficult, especially considering a lot of kids really hit their stride their 2nd/3rd year in school or their 1st/2nd year in the NBA. It's a catch 22, because what are you supposed to do? Find the best, non-1 and done kids? How do you quantify that?
Posted on 3/27/17 at 5:09 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Maybe it is just me but I don't think the whole one and done option is better than just letting kids join the NBA right out of HS.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 5:09 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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The whole having kids for one year and losing them makes it incredibly difficult, especially considering a lot of kids really hit their stride their 2nd/3rd year in school or their 1st/2nd year in the NBA. It's a catch 22, because what are you supposed to do? Find the best, non-1 and done kids? How do you quantify that?
I have a very simple answer to fix this
NBA gets rid of the one year requirement for college and let the true "one and dones" jump to the league. Then require the players that do need college to play at least two or three years.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 5:11 pm to rockiee
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NBA gets rid of the one year requirement for college and let the true "one and dones" jump to the league. Then require the players that do need college to play at least two or three years.
Agree - the baseball model is the best compromise between the old open enrollment and the football method.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 5:15 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Agree - the baseball model is the best compromise between the old open enrollment and the football method.
Selfishly I wish everyone had to spend at least two years in college but I get the argument against that.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 5:18 pm to rockiee
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Selfishly I wish everyone had to spend at least two years in college but I get the argument against that.
Yea - I think the idea that if you sign on at a division 1 program you lock into the same agreement football players have.
However, that affects such a smaller percentage of players and teams in basketball than it does in baseball that it just isn't going to happen. Nobody is going to push for that sort of rule so that UCLA, Kentucky, North Carolina, Kansas and Duke can have super teams every year. They will see it as detrimental to them with almost no upside.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 5:27 pm to rebsfan10
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It's hard to win with that many 1 and done guys and having to rebuild every year, but the John Wall, Cousins, Bledsoe team and the KAT & devin booker team should not have lost a game. Those 2 lineups were ridiculous. If you could have an NBA team of all Kentucky players, they would be the best team in the NBA. Wall, Booker KAT, Davis, Cousins, Bledsoe, Kidd-Gilchrist, Murray, Randle, Noel, Knight, and Ulis. That team would be incredible
shite happens. It's not like those teams they lost to (#2 seed WVU and #1 seed Wisconsin) sucked either.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 5:31 pm to rockiee
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Selfishly I wish everyone had to spend at least two years in college but I get the argument against that.
The NBA should have a 3 year rule like the NFL but at the same time they should let dudes come straight out of high school again too.
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