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Since 2009 Kentucky has had 28 NBA drafted players. Second most team is 14.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 3/27/17 at 12:47 pm
Since Calipari arrived at UK he has had 28 players drafted into the NBA. TWENTY. EIGHT.
Duke is 2nd most with 14 in that time period.
Calipari has VASTLY under achieved at UK to only have 1 National Championship.
Krzyzewsk with half the talent has won 2 NCs in this same time span.
Duke is 2nd most with 14 in that time period.
Calipari has VASTLY under achieved at UK to only have 1 National Championship.
Krzyzewsk with half the talent has won 2 NCs in this same time span.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 12:48 pm to GIbson05
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half the talent
NBA prospects =/= college talent
This post was edited on 3/27/17 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 3/27/17 at 12:48 pm to GIbson05
Don't care. Just get me that talent at Alabama on our basketball team and I won't complain any.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 12:52 pm to GIbson05
I have said before I have some doubts about Calipari as a game day coach but no one in college basketball has a better eye for talent and ability to land recruits then he does.
His big problem is that the one and done hurts Kentucky more then most schools because they land so much talent that is gone in a year. No matter how talented a player is its very tough for an 18/19 year old kid to learn the system and build up his body for the grind of SEC play and a deep tournament run.
If players had to stay for two years then I expect Calipari probably would have at least one or two more titles.
Edited because I really need a nap.
His big problem is that the one and done hurts Kentucky more then most schools because they land so much talent that is gone in a year. No matter how talented a player is its very tough for an 18/19 year old kid to learn the system and build up his body for the grind of SEC play and a deep tournament run.
If players had to stay for two years then I expect Calipari probably would have at least one or two more titles.
Edited because I really need a nap.
This post was edited on 3/27/17 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 3/27/17 at 12:53 pm to GIbson05
very short-sighted way of looking at it. Coach K recruits players that stay 2, 3, and 4 years. Calipari has a bunch of 1 and done players every single year. They don't ever get the chance to develop into good college players before they leave Kentucky. Yes, Calipari has a bigger stockpile of talent than anyone in the country but that talent is raw and remains raw
Posted on 3/27/17 at 12:55 pm to GIbson05
And at least 3 more 1st rounders this year.
As others have said, it's quite difficult to win a NC. You seem to underestimate that.
As others have said, it's quite difficult to win a NC. You seem to underestimate that.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 12:57 pm to kywildcatfanone
I think it has to do with Sabans success that people think it should be replicated at Kentucky as both are consistently #1 in recruiting. That said, football players must stay for 3 years and the NCAA Tourney is very difficult to navigate for any team.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 1:10 pm to GIbson05
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Calipari has VASTLY under achieved at UK to only have 1 National Championship.
Nonsense. Now with that talent if they had to stay 3 years, well,probably so. But with the one and done concept its hard to shape a mold a new team every year.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 1:11 pm to Sneaky__Sally
It's harder to win a national title in basketball than football or baseball. Being in a loser go home format in a sport where no one has gone undefeated since 1976 creates a system where the best team doesn't win with as high a frequency than in other sports. Very rarely do the top 2 teams even meet in the final. Look at the coaches that are viewed as "the best"
Jim Calhoun - 45 years coaching, 3 titles
Rick Pitino - 32 years coaching, 2 titles
Roy Williams - 44 years coaching, 2 titles
Tom Izzo - 44 years coaching, 1 title
Bill Self - 24 years coaching, 1 title
Jim Boeheim - 41 years coaching, 1 title
Mike Krzyzewski - 42 years coaching, 5 titles
John Calipari - 27 years coaching, 1 title
So yes Coach K is unarguably the best coach in the country, but after him do we just have a bunch of overrated coaches because they don't have more national titles? I guess Boeheim has 3 so I guess he's also safe based on the criteria of this board.
Jim Calhoun - 45 years coaching, 3 titles
Rick Pitino - 32 years coaching, 2 titles
Roy Williams - 44 years coaching, 2 titles
Tom Izzo - 44 years coaching, 1 title
Bill Self - 24 years coaching, 1 title
Jim Boeheim - 41 years coaching, 1 title
Mike Krzyzewski - 42 years coaching, 5 titles
John Calipari - 27 years coaching, 1 title
So yes Coach K is unarguably the best coach in the country, but after him do we just have a bunch of overrated coaches because they don't have more national titles? I guess Boeheim has 3 so I guess he's also safe based on the criteria of this board.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 1:13 pm to GIbson05
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Calipari has VASTLY under achieved at UK to only have 1 National Championship.
I don't think a comparison of Calipari and say Les Miles is fair, since the one and done almost always means UK has just young players.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 1:14 pm to lsufball19
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It's harder to win a national title in basketball than football or baseball
People love to do this comparison all the time for some reason.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 1:16 pm to GIbson05
quote:And since 2009, UK has lost in the elite 8, final four, Champions, NIT, Runner up,final four, 2nd round, elite 8.
Since 2009 Kentucky has had 28 NBA drafted players. Second most team is 14.
That is really freaking good. Basketball isnt meant to be a 1 game scenario to determine the best team. With the NCAA tourney being the way it is, the true best team often loses.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 1:17 pm to lsufball19
quote:Debatable. Baseball and Basketball are even. In baseball, you have to worry about a program like Coastal Carolina getting hot and winning the whole thing. Same with Fresno State a few years ago.
It's harder to win a national title in basketball than football or baseball
Posted on 3/27/17 at 1:32 pm to lsupride87
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Debatable. Baseball and Basketball are even. In baseball, you have to worry about a program like Coastal Carolina getting hot and winning the whole thing. Same with Fresno State a few years ago.
baseball is definitely tougher than football but you're still not in a single elimination format like you are in basketball
Posted on 3/27/17 at 2:59 pm to GIbson05
This is such a stupid argument. Winning the NCAA national title for men's bbal is fricking hard. Win 6 games in row and hope you don't run into a team that is hot.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 3:07 pm to rockiee
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People love to do this comparison all the time for some reason.
And it's hilarious given that Saban lost in a playoff this year with another top recruiting class.
So has he now underachieved? Or is it that a playoff is harder to win?
Posted on 3/27/17 at 3:10 pm to BluegrassBelle
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And it's hilarious given that Saban lost in a playoff this year with another top recruiting class.
Otto. Now you woke up all of the Gump knuckle dragging football only misfits.
45 pages.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 3:14 pm to BluegrassBelle
quote:well considering hes won 4 national championships in 8 years
So has he now underachieved?
Posted on 3/27/17 at 3:21 pm to I-59 Tiger
I think Cal is a good coach, and basketball is harder to win than most because March Madness, while entertaining, does a terrible job of finding the best champion. However, I do think he has underachieved.
Yes it's hard to build a new team every year because of one and done, but at the same time one and done lets Cal get the best players every single year. A lot of their players would be competing against them if guys had to stay three years. The KAT team that went undefeated regular season and the John Wall team should've been championship teams.
Also, winning a football title isn't as easy as people are making it out to be. Most of the time you can only afford one loss over the span of 15 games.
In Cal's defense in comparison to Saban though, I think the coaches in football have the most control of any sport on what happens in the game. If your team is just missing open shots in basketball, there's not much a coach can do.
Yes it's hard to build a new team every year because of one and done, but at the same time one and done lets Cal get the best players every single year. A lot of their players would be competing against them if guys had to stay three years. The KAT team that went undefeated regular season and the John Wall team should've been championship teams.
Also, winning a football title isn't as easy as people are making it out to be. Most of the time you can only afford one loss over the span of 15 games.
In Cal's defense in comparison to Saban though, I think the coaches in football have the most control of any sport on what happens in the game. If your team is just missing open shots in basketball, there's not much a coach can do.
This post was edited on 3/27/17 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 3/27/17 at 3:24 pm to WestCoastAg
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well considering hes won 4 national championships in 8 years
And a good part of those weren't in a playoff format.
The argument is because Cal hasn't won a National Championship multiple times in a 64 team tournament that he's underachieved. Even though Kentucky is in competition for an NC every year sans one in his tenure there. But he fairs as well or better than most of his peers. Coach K being the exception given what he's won over his tenure at Duke.
I'm not saying Saban has underachieved. But when you start adding games in a playoff format, it gets a little tougher.
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