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Serious question about coaching quality in SEC
Posted on 9/24/17 at 10:34 am
Posted on 9/24/17 at 10:34 am
Do you believe Saban is scaring off quality coaches from taking head coaching jobs in the SEC? I mean hell he did run Meyer off. You have people like Butch Jones and McElwain running UT and UF. Kirby may be a homerun but he was damn sure no proven commodity. Bert was a respected coach and he has flamed out at Arkansas. It's like a harbinger of career death to take on a HC gig in the conference right now which in turn is producing bad quality football. If it wasn't for all the 5 and 4 star athletes the shite would be unwatchable.
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Posted on 9/24/17 at 10:36 am to olemc999
It didn't scare Coach O from taking the job at LSU 
Posted on 9/24/17 at 10:38 am to olemc999
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Bert was a respected coach and he has flamed out at Arkansas
I'm almost positive there is a difference between a "respected" and a "quality" coach. Bert is one without the other.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 10:39 am to olemc999
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you believe Saban is scaring off quality coaches from taking head coaching jobs in the SEC? I mean hell he did run Meyer off
Wow,if only they're weren't 400 other post just like this!
Posted on 9/24/17 at 10:40 am to olemc999
If you don't like McElwain, we'll send you Stoops & Co
Posted on 9/24/17 at 10:40 am to RD Dawg
This used to be just a rant thing but I am hearing this talking point on radio shows now.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 10:40 am to Barneyrb
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I'm almost positive there is a difference between a "respected" and a "quality" coach. Bert is one without the other.
Today I learned Bert was a respectable coach.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 10:40 am to AuburnDeep
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It didn't scare Coach O from taking the job at LSU
Posted on 9/24/17 at 10:41 am to olemc999
of course it is. you have to go head to head with Saban in games, and recruiting. Its suicide by Saban.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 10:43 am to olemc999
Anybody think Stoops (Bob) wants to come into the SEC? I mean Arkansas is close to home.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 10:45 am to olemc999
The Meyer thing needs to stop. Meyer is not scared of Saban. See his overall record vs Saban? Dude can beat Saban. Meyer ran because he had lost control of the Florida locker room and knew it.
I think the major Saban issue is good coaches got kicked out, because they couldn't beat him. Miles and Richt are very good coaches gone. Meyer left. Spurrier just got old and stopped caring. Franklin left for a better job.
SEC fricked itself, and yes Saban is somewhat to blame, but it's more than just that as well. Pressure of coaching in the SEC is incredibly high. Some coaches find it easier to go where the pressure is less.
I think the major Saban issue is good coaches got kicked out, because they couldn't beat him. Miles and Richt are very good coaches gone. Meyer left. Spurrier just got old and stopped caring. Franklin left for a better job.
SEC fricked itself, and yes Saban is somewhat to blame, but it's more than just that as well. Pressure of coaching in the SEC is incredibly high. Some coaches find it easier to go where the pressure is less.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 10:49 am to olemc999
No.
Most coaches believe they have the ability to beat anyone.
None of the coaches you mentioned "flamed out" because of Saban.
Alabama is one game.
Most coaches believe they have the ability to beat anyone.
None of the coaches you mentioned "flamed out" because of Saban.
Alabama is one game.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 10:50 am to olemc999
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This used to be just a rant thing but I am hearing this talking point on radio shows now.
Been hearing everywhere since the middle of last year.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 10:51 am to JCdawg
I think it's coaching quality . If I'm not mistaken teams only haft to play BAMA once .... usually anyway ... That's just one lose , there are still teams on the schedule not named BAMA . win those games and you might make it to the playoffs...
Myer was able to compete. Miles was competing with BAMA year in and out . He just refused to change offense when Saban was willing . Richt gave us a game in the championship...l so I'm going with coaching quality...
Easy for me to say . Huh
Myer was able to compete. Miles was competing with BAMA year in and out . He just refused to change offense when Saban was willing . Richt gave us a game in the championship...l so I'm going with coaching quality...
Easy for me to say . Huh
This post was edited on 9/24/17 at 10:52 am
Posted on 9/24/17 at 10:54 am to AuburnDeep
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It didn't scare Coach O from taking the job at LSU
An Auburn fan laughing at this.
You know who else it didn't scare, right?
Posted on 9/24/17 at 10:56 am to olemc999
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Do you believe Saban is scaring off quality coaches from taking head coaching jobs in the SEC?
No, I just believe that Tennessee, Florida and LSU have made some mediocre coaching hires. Stoops was a good hire for Kentucky but it's hard to recruit at Kentucky. Mullen has done a good job at MSU considering the location. Ole Miss hired a cheater and they are paying the price. A&M hired a crappy coach who is doing less with more. Arkansas hired a solid coach in Bielema but he should probably return to the Big 10 where he had established himself. I just don't think Bielema is going to be able to recruit well enough at Arkansas to be competitive at the highest level in the West. SC got the best coach they could have hoped for to replace Spurrier; Muschamp is doing about as well as could be expected at SC. Missouri is a dumpster fire due to their SFW bullshite. Georgia made a logical hire in alumnus, Kirby Smart, who established himself as one of the best DC's at Alabama. Kirby is doing an excellent job in recruiting and our team seems to be coming together this season.
This post was edited on 9/24/17 at 11:02 am
Posted on 9/24/17 at 10:56 am to BamaGradinTn
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Posted on 9/24/17 at 11:00 am to Gatorbait2008
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Miles and Richt are very good coaches gone.
Right was complacent at UGA. He was comfortable. Had Saban not been at Alabama it was time for a change at UGA and it was time for a change for Richt. I doubt that either change happens if not for Saban. UGA and Richt both would still be stuck with no fire in the belly to get better. In UGAs case and in Richts case the Saban effect has been a positive. Smart may well prove to be a bust but it was simply time for a change at UGA and Alabama was the push needed for that change to happen.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 11:01 am to olemc999
I'm not sure if Saban is scaring them off. Small part..maybe, but more the flaming by fans. Dooley walked into one of the worse situations a program could be in. He was gone before his 3 season ended. Jones is 5 yrs in, and now feeling the flame. Stoops is too, by KY fans.
BIG10, and Pac12 have upped coaching pay too. SEC isnt going to be able to go into those conferences to poach Power 5 experienced HCs anymore. Especially when those coaches have personal ties to the regions. Justin Wilcox being a great example. He most likely isn't coming back to the SEC even if he ends up being great at Cal. USC/UCLA/Oregon will poach him, and he'll wait for that. With the new playoff system being in the SEC isnt the only way to have a true shot at a natty.
Who are legit coaches that can truly win? Not just vs saban, but at least give them a decent game. Legit as in not pipe dreams like gruden, bob stoops, chip kelley. Not saying a school can't throw the bank at them, but legit coaches?
As a UT fan i'm watching Kevin Steele. Bringing him home. We need to purge that bama sob hart lingering farts from our hallowed halls. If he can have auburns D ready, and looking good in the iron bowl then jones needs to be cut that night. Steele's UT press conference that following Monday morning. Apparently, he was on the DC list for dooley to replace wilcox, but that beat down beating wvu put on clemson ruined it. Dooley then got stuck with a LBs coach.
Other than than Steele, I dont see any legit coaches that have big conf experience. I'd rather take a successful SEC, and some ACC coordinators over these successful non-big 5 HCs like jones. Aggies learning it too as they put it all in a coach that took over for the true mastermind of the success UH had. Briles, though a POS, showed he was the true reason. Aggies bought the knock-off, and paid big for it. I would take Briles though once all legal stuff is behind him, and has no control of student related things.
BIG10, and Pac12 have upped coaching pay too. SEC isnt going to be able to go into those conferences to poach Power 5 experienced HCs anymore. Especially when those coaches have personal ties to the regions. Justin Wilcox being a great example. He most likely isn't coming back to the SEC even if he ends up being great at Cal. USC/UCLA/Oregon will poach him, and he'll wait for that. With the new playoff system being in the SEC isnt the only way to have a true shot at a natty.
Who are legit coaches that can truly win? Not just vs saban, but at least give them a decent game. Legit as in not pipe dreams like gruden, bob stoops, chip kelley. Not saying a school can't throw the bank at them, but legit coaches?
As a UT fan i'm watching Kevin Steele. Bringing him home. We need to purge that bama sob hart lingering farts from our hallowed halls. If he can have auburns D ready, and looking good in the iron bowl then jones needs to be cut that night. Steele's UT press conference that following Monday morning. Apparently, he was on the DC list for dooley to replace wilcox, but that beat down beating wvu put on clemson ruined it. Dooley then got stuck with a LBs coach.
Other than than Steele, I dont see any legit coaches that have big conf experience. I'd rather take a successful SEC, and some ACC coordinators over these successful non-big 5 HCs like jones. Aggies learning it too as they put it all in a coach that took over for the true mastermind of the success UH had. Briles, though a POS, showed he was the true reason. Aggies bought the knock-off, and paid big for it. I would take Briles though once all legal stuff is behind him, and has no control of student related things.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 11:08 am to olemc999
I think Miss. St., Vandy, KY, and now OM have about the best coach's they will get, for now. Miss. St. has the best of the four.
Gus ain't as bad as people think - he does get talent, especially on the D.
Kirby is the best young coach out there - and he is following Saban's blueprint (great D, ball control O) and will have Georgia as the East's version of Alabama soon.
All the others (especially TN, FL, A&M) are underwhelming so far, with some (SC, LSU) being really bad calls by the ADs (especially LSU). I thought Mac would be better, maybe he would with the missing players.
I don't see how Mizzou can be fixed.
Gus ain't as bad as people think - he does get talent, especially on the D.
Kirby is the best young coach out there - and he is following Saban's blueprint (great D, ball control O) and will have Georgia as the East's version of Alabama soon.
All the others (especially TN, FL, A&M) are underwhelming so far, with some (SC, LSU) being really bad calls by the ADs (especially LSU). I thought Mac would be better, maybe he would with the missing players.
I don't see how Mizzou can be fixed.
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