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serious question - how long should a coach be given to build a program?
Posted on 10/16/17 at 9:34 am
Posted on 10/16/17 at 9:34 am
lot's of people love to talk about the "2nd year jump"
but should a coach be given at least 3 years? or 5? including a rough season, or even 2?
also, interesting stat from the AU board:
Auburn under Gus: 40-20
Tennessee under Butch: 33-24
but should a coach be given at least 3 years? or 5? including a rough season, or even 2?
also, interesting stat from the AU board:
Auburn under Gus: 40-20
Tennessee under Butch: 33-24
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Posted on 10/16/17 at 9:36 am to dcbl
It really depends on the program and its state when the coach takes over. Normally 4-5 years.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 9:36 am to dcbl
Give Gus and Butch more time, IMO
Posted on 10/16/17 at 9:37 am to dcbl
After five years every single player is your recruit and had been in your system for years. There are no excuses after five years.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 9:38 am to dcbl
till your first recruit graduates....if you do not live up to expectations (whatever they may be for that team) then youre gone.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 9:41 am to rockiee
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It really depends on the program
This.
At Alabama you are given four years to produce consistent results. Mike Shula and Mike DuBose both managed 10-win seasons in their third years but followed those seasons up with sub-.500 records the very next year. They were both fired as a result.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 9:42 am to tke857
Id say 5 years given no royal frick ups like using your school issued phone to buy hookers. Unless you're Butch Jones. Lifetime contract then.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 9:42 am to rockiee
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It really depends on the program and its state when the coach takes over. Normally 4-5 years.
I totally agree, if you come in to a shite show, example UF after Muschump, 4 years is needed before you evaluate where you are as a program, but a decision needs to made at that point, not put off another year. Now, if you walk in to a good situation, and you haven't run of another coach just before then, 3 years is probably enough time to make a decision.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 9:49 am to dcbl
Since 2000, only two coaches failed to win a NC by their fourth year. Those coaches are Mack Brown and Dabo Swinney. And even in those two cases, Mack and Dabo both won 11 games in their fourth season. So I would say a coach should be given four years to build a program. If they aren't winning big by their fourth year, they likely won't ever win anything of note.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 9:57 am to dcbl
5 years seems to be the norm.
As an example, Bielema is in year 5 and Arkansas right now looks as bad as we did in his first year. He's almost certain to be gone unless every decent coach out there refuses to bite on our job offers.
Butch is in year 5 and despite having some fairly loaded teams has yet to win the SEC East. The season seems to be falling apart for the Vols and he's probably gone.
Gus is on shaky ground. A great first year followed by mediocre seasons since despite having some teams that were stacked to the gills is not going to appease the Auburn faithful.
Sumlin seems to be digging his way out of the hole he buried himself in, if he can avoid the dreaded November to Dismember that has plagued A&M he will probably squeeze out another year.
As I've said before, by now we know what all of these coaches bring to the dance.
As an example, Bielema is in year 5 and Arkansas right now looks as bad as we did in his first year. He's almost certain to be gone unless every decent coach out there refuses to bite on our job offers.
Butch is in year 5 and despite having some fairly loaded teams has yet to win the SEC East. The season seems to be falling apart for the Vols and he's probably gone.
Gus is on shaky ground. A great first year followed by mediocre seasons since despite having some teams that were stacked to the gills is not going to appease the Auburn faithful.
Sumlin seems to be digging his way out of the hole he buried himself in, if he can avoid the dreaded November to Dismember that has plagued A&M he will probably squeeze out another year.
As I've said before, by now we know what all of these coaches bring to the dance.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 9:59 am to dcbl
I would say at least 3 to 4 years, depending on the situation when the coach took over (usually taking over for a coach who was fired and/or the school is going on probation). However, if a coach is replacing a winning coach that retired or moved on to the NFL or a better program, that's different.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 10:38 am to dcbl
Less time than Butch, Sumlin, and McSharkHumper got!
Posted on 10/16/17 at 10:40 am to East Coast Band
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Give Gus and Butch more time until Arky hires a new coach please...thanks, admin
Posted on 10/16/17 at 10:40 am to dcbl
4 years
Unless you are Orgeron, he should get 10 years guaranteed
Unless you are Orgeron, he should get 10 years guaranteed
Posted on 10/16/17 at 10:41 am to dcbl
I feel like you generally need to give a guy a full class of his own recruits (4-5 years) to really evaluate him unless he just torpedos any progress made by the previous coach Joker Phillips style.
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Posted on 10/16/17 at 10:41 am to dcbl
5 years max!
If you don't have it done by year 5 you're not getting it done.
You have all of your players, coaches, and your system. If it still ain't working...it's you.
If you don't have it done by year 5 you're not getting it done.
You have all of your players, coaches, and your system. If it still ain't working...it's you.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 10:43 am to dcbl
Initially I thought 4-5 years. I'm not sold that it's that short anymore though. I'm sure there's more than 3-4 good coaches out there somewhere. Just not all have instant success
Posted on 10/16/17 at 11:03 am to dcbl
A coach should have ten years provided they have no moral or criminal failures during their tenure.
Yes I know people will laugh at this but in our microwave society that we live in, fans expectations have become delusional. They fail to realize that CFB is a zero sum game. For every winner there is a loser. So if fans in general would develop a bit more patience, the overall success of many teams would be better in the LONG RUN. But since we want to win yesterday, guys like Frank Solich at Nebraska (1998-2003 58-18) fired after going 9-3 in 2003. Since then Nebraska has faded into mediocrity with a few good teams sprinkled in between.
Other schools have done the same thing by firing successful coaches only to find they actually got worse with the new coach.
Yes I know people will laugh at this but in our microwave society that we live in, fans expectations have become delusional. They fail to realize that CFB is a zero sum game. For every winner there is a loser. So if fans in general would develop a bit more patience, the overall success of many teams would be better in the LONG RUN. But since we want to win yesterday, guys like Frank Solich at Nebraska (1998-2003 58-18) fired after going 9-3 in 2003. Since then Nebraska has faded into mediocrity with a few good teams sprinkled in between.
Other schools have done the same thing by firing successful coaches only to find they actually got worse with the new coach.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 11:06 am to Weagle25
I think it depends on how bad things were when you hired the coach. In the case of Tennessee, Dooley had things so fricked up, I'm not sure Saban could go in there and produce a NC in 4-5 years and you couple that with Kiffin's one and done and prior to that when Fulmer started to sop his recruiting....so you are talking about 5 years of really bad decisions to fx once you come in and in the case of Tennessee(the state), it's no necessarily one of the great recruiting hotbeds in the SEC....Fulmer went all over the country to get his players....NOLA, Cali, NJ, etc
Posted on 10/16/17 at 11:19 am to dcbl
Took Saban one.
Took Smart and Myles one each with a stocked pantry.
I'm not sure what the talent levels were at AU and Tennessee before each got there, but I don't think it was horrible.
Took Smart and Myles one each with a stocked pantry.
I'm not sure what the talent levels were at AU and Tennessee before each got there, but I don't think it was horrible.
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