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re: SEC Football Teams All Time Historical Rankings according to CFB Warehouse
Posted on 8/1/15 at 11:36 pm to Alert Mi
Posted on 8/1/15 at 11:36 pm to Alert Mi
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We should overtake Notre Dame and Texas next season to put us in 2nd place, overall, in total wins on the field.
Any site, not the NCAA, that uses official stats and not games played stats is a joke.
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At the end of the 2016 season, Alabama will be in the 900 wins club.
Yeah looks like Alabama will be #2 in total wins (at least on the field) perhaps even at the end of this season, just 2 behind Texas and 3 behind ND, both margins could be met this year.
The 35 behind Michigan will take awhile though. They've played exactly 40 more games than us which is where the bulk of that edge comes from. I mean, if you have a great season and they have a mediocre one you still just make up 4-5 games.
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Posted on 8/1/15 at 11:50 pm to AUtigerNOLA
frick Auburn 45-10!!!
Posted on 8/1/15 at 11:59 pm to redeye
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The FWAA didn't offer it to Alabama, so that wasn't even an option. I realize that's how things were done back then, but it doesn't change the fact that Alabama won a national championship, while losing to a team that undefeated Arkansas beat.
The facts don't have to be changed, those were the rules that your team agreed to play by. Things are still the same. If Arkansas doesn't agree with the way the NC trophies are awarded at the present time, don't play the games. No one is forcing Arkansas to abide by the same structural guidelines as all other teams in FBS.
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And I'll never understand how a 9-1-1 Alabama was able to leap frog three 10-1 teams to win it all in '65.
That's right, Arkansas got the FWAA for the '64 season. Congrats on your NC.
As far as you never being able to understand how a 9-1-1 Alabama team won it all in '65, allow me to elucidate it for you. Well, to hell with that, just read this link. After reading it, you will never have to be in the dark about it again.
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Anxious to avoid the uproar that followed its regular season final poll last year, AP waited until after New Year's to crown the 1965 national champion.
Good move. At the end of the regular season Michigan State, Arkansas and Nebraska were all 10-0, with Alabama at 8-1-1 (the Tide lost their opener to Georgia and tied Tennessee). The bowl match-ups had Arkansas playing LSU in the Cotton, Michigan State vs UCLA in the Rose, and Nebraska vs Alabama in the Orange. Each game followed the other on TV.
The three top-ranked teams all lost. Arkansas, denied the '64 national title it deserved, had its 22 game winning streak snapped in Dallas. LSU took a 14-7 lead in the second quarter then shut the Razorbacks out in the second half.
Michigan State, UPI's national champ, had opened the regular season with a 13-3 win over UCLA. The Spartans hoped to close the year on the same note, but couldn't overcome the Bruins' 14-0 halftime lead. The victory was UCLA's first Rose Bowl win ever.
So the Orange Bowl, in its second year at night, became the national championship game. Underdog Alabama built up a 24-7 lead by halftime then held off a Nebraska comeback to win 39-28.
Bama's Bear Bryant joined Minnesota's Bernie Bierman (1940-41), Army's Red Blaik (1944-45), Notre Dame's Frank Leahy (1946-47) and Oklahoma's Bud Wilkinson (1955-56) as the only coaches to win back-to-back national titles.
Posted on 8/2/15 at 12:05 am to Alert Mi
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The facts don't have to be changed, those were the rules that your team agreed to play by. Things are still the same. If Arkansas doesn't agree with the way the NC trophies are awarded at the present time, don't play the games. No one is forcing Arkansas to abide by the same structural guidelines as all other teams in FBS.
Honestly, the problem wasn't with the rules; it was with short-sighted voters. If they'd voted better, there wouldn't have been a problem, right?
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That's right, Arkansas got the FWAA for the '64 season. Congrats on your NC.
Thanks!
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As far as you never being able to understand how a 9-1-1 Alabama team won it all in '65, allow me to elucidate it for you. Well, to hell with that, just read this link. After reading it, you will never have to be in the dark about it again.
Yea, I know what happened. I just don't agree with it. I did enjoy this, though:
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Anxious to avoid the uproar that followed its regular season final poll last year, AP waited until after New Year's to crown the 1965 national champion.
Hmm... what uproar were they talking about here?
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Arkansas, denied the '64 national title it deserved ...
Well, whadoyaknow? I'm not the only one who thinks the AP voters were wrong.
Posted on 8/2/15 at 12:09 am to Manzielathon
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Literally worse than anything Alabama or Mississippi has to offer.
Why? Why are you going to pick another e-fight when you are already in one? That isn't good strategy.
Posted on 8/2/15 at 12:17 am to Manzielathon
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Catch up in the recruiting rankings, tv exposure, tv money, national relevance, university standards etc...and then talk to me...as of right now you're fading away into obscurity in the big dumpster fire 12, the conference of 1 true champion and 10 true dumb asses.
LOL!!! Okay clown. You didn't even make the coach's poll top 25. They've figured out you're frauds too.
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But you're national champions in recruiting and conference revenue tho!
Weeeee.......OU has more national relevance than ATM ever will . Changing your conference patch on your shirt didn't change that. Just deal with it.
This post was edited on 8/2/15 at 12:33 am
Posted on 8/2/15 at 12:27 am to redeye
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Honestly, the problem wasn't with the rules; it was with short-sighted voters. If they'd voted better, there wouldn't have been a problem, right?
That isn't the premise you should argue. You should stick with "when" they voted, not how they voted.
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Thanks!
You are welcome.
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Yea, I know what happened. I just don't agree with it
Oh, so you do understand what happened? You just said this:
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And I'll never understand how a 9-1-1 Alabama was able to leap frog three 10-1 teams to win it all in '65.
So now that it's been explained to you, you've changed your tactic from just not having any idea or understanding to just not agreeing with it.
You have a hard time sticking with one thought, don't you?
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Hmm... what uproar were they talking about here?
Can you not read? What you are responding to clearly states exactly what the uproar was. Come on, man, keep up here.
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Well, whadoyaknow? I'm not the only one who thinks the AP voters were wrong.
Of course you aren't the only one. But, you know, Arkansas wasn't cheated. They don't have the trophies because that just isn't how things were at that time.
Posted on 8/2/15 at 12:44 am to Alert Mi
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Of course you aren't the only one. But, you know, Arkansas wasn't cheated. They don't have the trophies because that just isn't how things were at that time.
1. I've never heard any Arkansas fan say we were cheated. I've heard plenty of fans - Arkansas and non-Arkansas alike - say that Arkansas was the real champion that year. The AP was one of several to award mythical titles and most fans just didn't seem to agree with them that year: hence the uproar.
2. We do have a trophy for it.
That's the Grantland Rice Trophy.
Posted on 8/2/15 at 12:45 am to mightysooner
Not an SEC team - 41
Big 12 Co-True Champions - 13
More losses to Baylor and TCU since 2010 than A&M has since 1980.
Big 12 Co-True Champions - 13
More losses to Baylor and TCU since 2010 than A&M has since 1980.
Posted on 8/2/15 at 12:50 am to Alert Mi
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those were the rules that your team agreed to play by.
Posted on 8/2/15 at 1:08 am to redeye
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1. I've never heard any Arkansas fan say we were cheated. I've heard plenty of fans - Arkansas and non-Arkansas alike - say that Arkansas was the real champion that year. The AP was one of several to award mythical titles and most fans just didn't seem to agree with them that year: hence the uproar.
But Arkansas wasn't the real champion that season, that title belonged to Alabama.
Just because things didn't work out like many expected it to, that particular season, gives no one a right to take something away from Alabama that they earned.
At the beginning of the '64 season, every single team and every player on those teams and every coach knew that the NC was determined before bowl games.
I'm not sure what is so hard to understand about that?
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2. We do have a trophy for it.
That trophy is okay but, the AP and UPI trophies were much more renowned and honored and respected.
Posted on 8/2/15 at 1:12 am to Korin
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those were the rules that your team agreed to play by.
Well, not rules exactly. More like a template. Teams played for the trophies and the recognition of being labeled champions. Under that template, they knew what the rules were. Those rules, at that time, were that the two major selectors awarded their trophies before bowl games. As you are well aware, as I've seen you discuss it before, bowls were shite and not given a second thought by coaches or players.
Posted on 8/2/15 at 1:14 am to Alert Mi
There were more than 2 major selectors.
Posted on 8/2/15 at 1:16 am to Alert Mi
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But Arkansas wasn't the real champion that season, that title belonged to Alabama.
Just because things didn't work out like many expected it to, that particular season, gives no one a right to take something away from Alabama that they earned.
No one's taking anything away from Alabama. Arkansas was the real champion in '64 and we have the title to prove it. If you wanna believe the AP or UPI are more valuable, then go ahead, but the Grantland Rice wasn't considered any less worthy back then.
If you think about it, you should be thanking us. If not for the uproar over the AP's foolish mistake in '64, they wouldn't have moved the date until after the bowls in '65 and Alabama wouldn't have won it that year.
You're welcome!
This post was edited on 8/2/15 at 1:19 am
Posted on 8/2/15 at 1:22 am to Korin
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There were more than 2 major selectors.
Technicalities. You know as well as I do that the AP and UPI were universally, during that time-period, recognized as the most important.
Your team wasn't widely proclaimed NC's if you didn't win at least one of those.
MacArthur and Grantland were okay, but, come on. Let's not play a game of semantics.
The Writers and Broadcasters trophy and the Coaches trophy were it.
Posted on 8/2/15 at 1:24 am to Alert Mi
Well the governing body of the sport puts them on the same level so... 
Posted on 8/2/15 at 1:24 am to redeye
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If you wanna believe the AP or UPI are more valuable, then go ahead, but the Grantland Rice wasn't considered any less worthy back then.
That is just what fans of a team that only have the Grantland Rice trophy tell themselves. Everyone else knows better.
Posted on 8/2/15 at 1:25 am to Alert Mi
Why does it matter to you anyhow? It's not like anyone's saying Alabama shouldn't claim 1964.
Posted on 8/2/15 at 1:29 am to Korin
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Well the governing body of the sport puts them on the same level so...
The governing body of the sport also doesn't recognize NC's, period, so.
I'm not so sure if they are a reliable source. Honest people will agree that the MacArthur trophy and the Grantland Rice trophy did not hold the same prestige as the UPI and AP.
Maybe you just don't know because maybe you are like 20 or something and can only go on what you read.
Posted on 8/2/15 at 1:30 am to Alert Mi
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The governing body of the sport also doesn't recognize NC's,
Wrong again.
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