Started By
Message
re: SEC football coaches best to worst
Posted on 3/24/17 at 12:42 pm to David Banner
Posted on 3/24/17 at 12:42 pm to David Banner
quote:
3. Gus Malzahn
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA
0
Posted on 3/24/17 at 12:42 pm to FairhopeTider
quote:
quote:
2. Dan Mullen
I agree and I don't know what that says about the current roster of coaches in the SEC.
Well I know If Mullen had Bamas roster, he sure wouldn't get his arse kicked by Clemson. No excuse for that crap
Posted on 3/24/17 at 12:43 pm to Arkansasrazorback
quote:
The bolded portion is false, but your overall premise is correct that he is a bottom three SEC coach. Losses to inferior teams, slow starts to seasons, lack of physicality, frequent 2nd half / fourth quarter bed shittings, etc...
In SEC play is what I was referring to.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 12:44 pm to SouthOfHere
quote:
Well I know If Mullen had Bamas roster, he sure wouldn't get his arse kicked by Clemson
Interesting. He lost to a South Alabama team that went 2-6 in the Sun Belt last season. Was State at a talent disadvantage in that ballgame?
This post was edited on 3/24/17 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 3/24/17 at 12:45 pm to SummerOfGeorge
quote:
You know it's silly to hold year 1 and 2 against him.
The 2013 team was never going to be good, but it should never have gone 3-9. That team displayed staples of shitty Bert coaching, and they underachieved like all of his teams have. The 2014 team had the best defense Arkansas has had in a long time. That team had four NFL players on defense (3 of them being "talentless" Petrino recruits). They ranked in the top 10 nationally. The offense had multiple NFL players on it too. Bert went 7-6. Seven. And. Six.
This post was edited on 3/24/17 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 3/24/17 at 12:46 pm to Farmer1906
quote:
Another not top 10. 7-23 in the SEC with only 1 winning season and it wasn't even a full year. 16-27 overall
Fair enough. This is supposed to be a ranking on how coaches have performed as head coaches rather than a ranking of how good they currently are. I'm fine with O at 11, because I know like most other reasonable folks that he is currently a better coach than most others on the SEC and will prove that soon.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 12:46 pm to Stillinthegrove
quote:
SEC football coaches best to worst by Stillinthegrove
quote:
2. Dan Mullen
Mullen wouldn't be in Starkville if this were true.
His job of running Freeze out of Oxford is almost done. Then he can move on to greener pastures.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 12:48 pm to LSU Patrick
quote:
I know like most other reasonable folks that he is currently a better coach than most others on the SEC and will prove that soon.
I don't think you can really say "you know hes better than most others in the SEC". You might think that, you might be encouraged by his first few months of that, but you definitely can't "know it" at this point.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 12:58 pm to SummerOfGeorge
quote:
Again, who would you rank ahead of him?
Smart? McElwain? Sumlin? Malzahn? O? Bert?
Here is how the SEC Coaches rank in terms of record vs. opponents that finish a season ranked (Win %):
68.0%- Saban (34-16)
34.6%- Freeze (9-17)
33.3%- Malzahn (6-12)
33.3%- Smart (1-2)
33.3%- Orgeron (1-2)
31.8%- Sumlin (7-15)
30.0%- McElwain (3-7)
25.0%- Bielema (5-15)
25.0%- Jones (4-13)
25.0%- Muschamp (1-3)
8.3%- Mason (1-11)
6.7%- Stoops (1-14)
5.9%- Mullen (2-32)
0.0%- Odom (0-4)
Based off that, I think I'd pick just about anyone ahead of Dan Mullen. The man has had seven years to build a program, and he's shown zero signs of getting State to a point where they can routinely (or even occasionally) beat solid opponents.
The man is a master of creating a manageable schedule that makes it look like he's had a decent year:
*The 4 easiest OOC games possible
*Annual eastern opponent of Kentucky
*Beat whichever West team is having a horrible year
*Hope to get an easy rotating East opponent each year
Put all that together, and he wins 6 or 7 games every year even though he beats no team with a pulse.
This post was edited on 3/24/17 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 3/24/17 at 12:59 pm to SouthOfHere
quote:
Well I know If Mullen had Bamas roster, he sure wouldn't get his arse kicked by Clemson. No excuse for that crap
Here we are taking up for the guy and you have to act all salty.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 1:05 pm to BHMKyle
quote:
Here is how the SEC Coaches rank in terms of record vs. opponents that finish a season ranked (Win %):
And I'd probably have had Freeze up in the Top 4 if not for, well, you know.
I mean that's just a big pile of garbage.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 1:09 pm to BHMKyle
Not only that, but both of Mullen's 2 best wins were against teams that really weren't all that great.
He beat Ole Miss in 2009... the Rebels finished #20 in the country with a record of 9-4.
He beat Auburn in 2014... Auburn finished #22 in the country with a record of 8-5.
Mullen's 2 wins in 7 seasons against opponents that finished a season ranked in the Top 25 came against teams that still averaged 4.5 losses each. Both of those opponents ended the year ranked between #20 and #25.
Against opponents that finish a season ranked in the Final Top 19... Mullen is a disastrous 0-29. Now someone please give me some reasons why He's a Top 2 coach in the league... heck even Top 7.
He beat Ole Miss in 2009... the Rebels finished #20 in the country with a record of 9-4.
He beat Auburn in 2014... Auburn finished #22 in the country with a record of 8-5.
Mullen's 2 wins in 7 seasons against opponents that finished a season ranked in the Top 25 came against teams that still averaged 4.5 losses each. Both of those opponents ended the year ranked between #20 and #25.
Against opponents that finish a season ranked in the Final Top 19... Mullen is a disastrous 0-29. Now someone please give me some reasons why He's a Top 2 coach in the league... heck even Top 7.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 1:11 pm to BHMKyle
quote:
Against opponents that finish a season ranked in the Final Top 19... Mullen is a disastrous 0-29. Now someone please give me some reasons why He's a Top 2 coach in the league... heck even Top 7.
Basically because everyone else has warts that are just as big in other areas, like perhaps consistency.
Either way, it just once again highlights how awful the coaching in the SEC has become the last 5 years. It's dreadful.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 1:13 pm to SummerOfGeorge
quote:
And I'd probably have had Freeze up in the Top 4 if not for, well, you know.
I agree. Based on actual accomplishments, Freeze should *probably* be ranked #2 behind Saban. However, everything that Freeze has accomplished has an * next to it now.
I'm biased, but I would choose Kirby as the best coach in the league not named Saban. I understand he's not accomplished much yet, but he's recruiting lights out and he has the program headed in the right direction. The wins will come.
After that, give me Gus over those others. Sure he's been mediocre the past few years, but his actual accomplishments are without a doubt the best in the league outside of Saban (SEC Title, MNC Title Game Appearance, 3 Top 25 finishes, etc.).
I guess I'd go with Sumlin or McElwain next, but it starts to get really ugly when you get to that level.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 1:15 pm to David Banner
You're so bad at this posting/trolling thing
Posted on 3/24/17 at 1:15 pm to David Banner
quote:
4. Coach O
Posted on 3/24/17 at 1:45 pm to SummerOfGeorge
quote:
Basically because everyone else has warts that are just as big in other areas, like perhaps consistency.
I guess. But other than "Beating up on absolute cupcakes", I see nothing but blemishes on Mullen's resume.
Here is how the coaches stand in terms of winning percentage against FBS Opponents that finish with 7+ wins in a season:
84.72%- Saban (61-11)
60.00%- Orgeron (3-2)
50.00%- Smart (3-3)
47.22%- Sumlin (17-19)
46.67%- McElwain (7-8)
45.45%- Malzahn (15-18)
43.59%- Freeze (17-22)
35.71%- Jones (10-18)
25.00%- Mullen (13-39)
24.14%- Bielema (7-22)
16.67%- Muschamp (1-5)
14.29%- Odom (1-6)
10.53%- Mason (10.53%)
7.41%- Stoops (2-25)
Mullen does a little bit better here. If you take out the 29 opponents that finished ranked in the Top 19 (which he is 0-29 against), then that makes Mullen 13-10 against opponents that have at least 7 wins but aren't good enough to finish in the Final AP Top 19. I guess that would be Mullen's "major accomplishment" as a head coach.
If you subtract out those records from the coaches' overall records, here is how they rank in terms of winning percentage against BAD opponents (Opponents that are either FCS level or FBS teams with 6 wins or less):
100.0%- Saban (39-0)
100.0%- Malzahn (20-0)
100.0%- Mcelwain (12-0)
100.0%- Orgeron (3-0)
94.12%- Mullen (48-3)
93.10%- Sumlin (27-2)
88.0%- Freeze (22-3)
86.96%- Jones (20-3)
81.82%- Bielema (18-4)
77.27%- Stoops (17-5)
71.43%- Smart (5-2)
71.43%- Muschamp (5-2)
61.11%- Mason (11-7)
60.00%- Odom (3-2)
I guess this is where Mullen shines... his ability to beat up on cupcakes. But even in this category, he still trails both McElwain and Gus.
Based off all the facts, I'd rate them like this:
1. Saban
2. Gus- Hanging on his Year 1 accomplishments and his ability to beat all the inferior opponents
3. McElwain- Like Gus, he beats crappy opponents, plus he's at least won the East both years.
4. Orgeron- Way too early but in his limited time in Baton Rouge he did what was necessary.
5. Kirby- The losses to Ole Miss and Vandy really hurt his resume, but his recruiting has got UGA headed in the right direction. A strong showing in 2017 could literally boost him up to #2.
6. Freeze- Accomplishments are there, but so is all that cheating.
7. Sumlin- He's done okay, but he's had 5 full years and the last 4 have been very mediocre.
8. Jones
9. Mullen- I guess I'll insert him here for his ability to beat all the small teams not located in Mobile County Alabama
10. Muschamp
11. Bert
12. Stoops
13. Mason
14. Odom
This post was edited on 3/24/17 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 3/24/17 at 1:46 pm to BHMKyle
quote:
2. Gus- Hanging on his Year 1 accomplishments and his ability to beat all the inferior opponents
3. McElwain- Like Gus, he beats crappy opponents, plus he's at least won the East both years.
4. Orgeron- Way too early but in his limited time in Baton Rouge he did what was necessary.
5. Kirby- The losses to Ole Miss and Vandy really hurt his resume, but his recruiting has got UGA headed in the right direction. A strong showing in 2017 could literally boost him up to #2.
I'm not even disagreeing with this list (it's pretty close to what I'd probably come up with), but holy shite that is awful.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 8:49 pm to SummerOfGeorge
quote:
I don't think you can really say "you know hes better than most others in the SEC".
You know he is.
Posted on 3/24/17 at 9:28 pm to David Banner
1. Coach orgeron
2. Angry psycho midget Saban
3. Nobody else matters
2. Angry psycho midget Saban
3. Nobody else matters
This post was edited on 3/24/17 at 9:28 pm
Page 3 of 4
Popular
Back to top
Follow SECRant for SEC Football News