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re: SEC cultural differences
Posted on 7/28/15 at 2:42 pm to Gradual_Stroke
Posted on 7/28/15 at 2:42 pm to Gradual_Stroke
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We were one of the original Confederate States of America.
Yeah, but South Carolina was THE original Confederate state.
Oh..and EKG...gotta remove the Confederate flag from over SC or some ppl are gonna get very upset.
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Posted on 7/28/15 at 2:52 pm to Carolina_Girl
Y'all hosted the party; we showed up fashionably late with a big swangin dick 
Posted on 7/28/15 at 2:55 pm to Gradual_Stroke
Dammit, Grad. If y'all hadn't been so busy hitting on the other Confederate Soldiers with those big swangin' dicks, we might have won the damn war!
Posted on 7/28/15 at 2:57 pm to Carolina_Girl
We Texans can't help it. We just can't stop swangin
Posted on 7/28/15 at 2:57 pm to Gradual_Stroke
I think that map is pretty accurate. Of course there are going to be issues w/ anything that general about a nation of over 300 million people.
He mentions that the Tidewater is declining b/c of the increasing influence of DC and Norfolk, but I can't tell how he categorizes those two places.
He also should have either come up w/ a different name for Appalachia or divided it up into a couple of regions since he has it including areas that most people don't think of as appalachian like Oklahoma and Texas.
He mentions that the Tidewater is declining b/c of the increasing influence of DC and Norfolk, but I can't tell how he categorizes those two places.
He also should have either come up w/ a different name for Appalachia or divided it up into a couple of regions since he has it including areas that most people don't think of as appalachian like Oklahoma and Texas.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 3:00 pm to ksayetiger
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New France
A pocket of liberalism nestled in the Deep South, its people are consensus driven, tolerant, and comfortable with government involvement in the economy. Woodard says New France is among the most liberal places in North America. New France is focused around New Orleans in Louisiana as well as the Canadian province of Quebec.
Wat? I lived innola for four years. Nope to this
Except for a couple, all of those parishes went for McCain and Romney LINK
Posted on 7/28/15 at 3:04 pm to StopRobot
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The Deep South was established by English slave lords from Barbados and was styled as a West Indies-style slave society, Woodard notes.
WTF is he talking about? Different parts were founded by different peoples.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 3:29 pm to Wellborn
This map is surprisingly accurate. It roughly has half of Arkansas as Deep South. I would extend it all the way to Little Rock though. I would even argue that the Missouri boot heel has a Deep South culture and it has a 7B climate as well...the boot heel feels much more deep south than most of Tennessee excluding Memphis.
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Posted on 7/28/15 at 3:33 pm to Tantal
I lived in west Texas for 2 years...it's not that different from GA/SC other then climate. Most of the people were just like the people back home hard working, honest folks with many of the same values.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 4:17 pm to Wellborn
Deep South 
Posted on 7/28/15 at 4:22 pm to p_bubel
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Texas, as much as it can be southern in origin, was where the west really began.
Well said.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 4:49 pm to piggilicious
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i don't think i've ever seen ark referred to as appalachia????
It is much closer to Appalachia than it is the Deep South (as is southern Missouri).
Posted on 7/28/15 at 4:57 pm to StopRobot
I believe he's talking about South Carolina right there.. That's very much the colonial history of this particular state, especially the Lowcountry area around Charleston. Before slaves were brought to Charleston they often spent years on plantations in Barbados. Many plantation owners from Barbados also had even larger plantations in coastal SC, around Charleston.
Coastal South Carolina and Georgia (around Savannah) could have its own culture region as well, just like New France or Tidewater. Sure, we are in the Deep South but we are culturally different. For instance, when I think of the Deep South I think of colonial cotton plantations... We didn't grow cotton in coastal SC, our cash crops were rice and indigo and we imported slaves from rice growing regions of West Africa. The rice plantations in coastal SC were typically way larger and had more slaves than Deep South cotton plantations. Which explains why rice is a staple in SC. That high concentration of slaves, with little contact with whites, lead to slaves holding on to more of their African/Caribbean culture than slaves elsewhere... which is why if you come to Charleston today most older African American (and some whites) locals speak in a distinctive creole dialect called Gullah and people from coastal SC call themselves Geechees.
Coastal SC has more in common culturally with Southern Louisiana (food, coastal lifestyle, patois/dialects) than other parts of the Deep South.
Coastal South Carolina and Georgia (around Savannah) could have its own culture region as well, just like New France or Tidewater. Sure, we are in the Deep South but we are culturally different. For instance, when I think of the Deep South I think of colonial cotton plantations... We didn't grow cotton in coastal SC, our cash crops were rice and indigo and we imported slaves from rice growing regions of West Africa. The rice plantations in coastal SC were typically way larger and had more slaves than Deep South cotton plantations. Which explains why rice is a staple in SC. That high concentration of slaves, with little contact with whites, lead to slaves holding on to more of their African/Caribbean culture than slaves elsewhere... which is why if you come to Charleston today most older African American (and some whites) locals speak in a distinctive creole dialect called Gullah and people from coastal SC call themselves Geechees.
Coastal SC has more in common culturally with Southern Louisiana (food, coastal lifestyle, patois/dialects) than other parts of the Deep South.
This post was edited on 7/28/15 at 4:59 pm
Posted on 7/28/15 at 5:02 pm to Wellborn
Coastal Florida, even the "still southern" parts, are so different from the deep south. I'd say it's much more like Louisiana than Mississippi, but still very different from Louisiana. The entire Gulf Coast should really be its own region.
And additionally, in absolutely no way is Pennsylvania like Iowa, or panhandle Oklahoma (seriously, wtf?). Pennsylvania itself should be divided into 4 regions, or together with whatever upstate NY is
And additionally, in absolutely no way is Pennsylvania like Iowa, or panhandle Oklahoma (seriously, wtf?). Pennsylvania itself should be divided into 4 regions, or together with whatever upstate NY is
Posted on 7/28/15 at 6:12 pm to PAGator
Appalachia ends in the middle of Kentucky and Tennessee. In what world is Oklahoma, Texas, and Arkansas part of Appalachia? What they should have labeled that is the Southern Redneck belt. That would have at least been accurate.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 6:12 pm to PAGator
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Coastal Florida, even the "still southern" parts, are so different from the deep south. I'd say it's much more like Louisiana than Mississippi, but still very different from Louisiana. The entire Gulf Coast should really be its own region.
Agree, it is sort of a culture all its own. They also picked an odd place to divide Florida, there is not much difference between Sarasota and Tampa/Manatee.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 6:13 pm to Wellborn
New France in the building
Posted on 7/28/15 at 6:36 pm to UKWildcats
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In what world is Oklahoma, Texas, and Arkansas part of Appalachia?
According to his map, so is part of NEW MEXICO. In fact, he thinks that New Mexico and Texas are the two most diverse states in the country apparently (each, supposedly, has four different culture groups).
Posted on 7/28/15 at 7:48 pm to piggilicious
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i don't think i've ever seen ark referred to as appalachia????
Yeah, as many have pointed out, they really fricked up the whole Appalachia thing. Southern Appalachia (to me) is some of WVa, VA, East TN, Eastern KY, Western NC, and some of North GA. The hill folk in these areas were always fiercely independent and distinctly different than the rest of what is referred to as the south.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 8:41 pm to EKG
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So ... I was responding to the poster who asked whether or not "Texas is better than the southern states?"
My response was that culturally, it's more it's own cultural animal than an affiliated chunk of the Deep South.
Absolutely there exist cultural differences within states.
I agree and find it surprising that anyone wouldn't. I'm sure there are parts of Texas that feel like the Deep South, but I've never seen them. Most of Arkansas doesn't seem like the Deep South to me, either. My first visits in most true Deep South states were funny, because they talked vastly different then they did in Central Arkansas, although it's not so noticeable anymore.
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