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SEC Coaches by performance in the Weekly AP Poll
Posted on 9/19/17 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 9/19/17 at 1:17 pm
Here are a handful of SEC coaches ranked by percentage of poll releases since they were hired (at current school) that they were ranked in the AP Poll.
1. Saban (156/167... 93.4%)
2. McElwain (31/36... 86.1%)
3. Orgeron* (13/16... 81.3%)
4. Sumlin (55/86... 64.0%)
5. Malzahn (44/70... 62.9%)
6. Smart (9/20... 45.0%)
7. Mullen (41/134... 30.6%)
8. Jones (17/70... 24.3%)
9. Bielema (8/70... 11.4%)
*Orgeron's weeks as interim HC are counted, but Les Miles first 4 poll releases as LSU HC in 2016 are not counted
Now here is how they rank by their team's AP Poll Standing since they arrived (25 points for each weekly #1 ranking; 24 points for each weekly #2 ranking, etc.), then compared to every other program during that time period:
1. Saban.... #1 program from 2007-2017
2. Malzahn... #11 program from 2013-2017
3. Sumlin... #13 program from 2012-2017
4. McElwain... #17 program from 2015-2017
5. Orgeron... #18 program from late Sept 2016-2017
6. Smart... #23 program from 2016-2017
7. Mullen... #37 program from 2009-2017
8. Jones... #40 program from 2013-2017
9. Bielema... #49 program from 2013-2017
A few thoughts:
*Amazing that under McElwain, Florida has been ranked in over 86% of the weekly AP Poll releases, yet they are only the #18 program over the same time period. That guy has poured a rock solid foundation in the #16-#25 portion of the rankings, and it appears that the house he's built isn't moving much anywhere.
*The amount of hype that Mullen at Mississippi State receives is astounding. Since he arrived back in 2009, Mississippi State has not even averaged being close to a Top 25 program. Since 2009, Mississippi State has the #37 best weekly performance in the AP poll. Over the same span of years (2009-2017), they trail Alabama (#1), LSU (#2), Florida (#12), Georgia (#16), Auburn (#17), South Carolina (#16), Texas A&M (#20), Ole Miss (#27), and Arkansas (#30) to rank 10th of all current SEC programs over the period of his tenure. They are also just 2 spots ahead of Missouri (#39). Exactly why does he get so much credit? Since '09, Mississippi State's weekly performance in the AP Poll ranks one spot ahead of West Virginia's and one spot behind Houston.
*While I understand their fans' frustrations (and would probably feel the same way they do), it's amazing how much heat that both Malzahn and Sumlin get considering that Auburn is the #11 program according to the AP since Malzahn came on board.... and Texas A&M is the #13 program since Sumlin came on board. This at least according to the weekly AP Polls during their tenures. These standings come in ahead of where these programs rank all-time as programs.
1. Saban (156/167... 93.4%)
2. McElwain (31/36... 86.1%)
3. Orgeron* (13/16... 81.3%)
4. Sumlin (55/86... 64.0%)
5. Malzahn (44/70... 62.9%)
6. Smart (9/20... 45.0%)
7. Mullen (41/134... 30.6%)
8. Jones (17/70... 24.3%)
9. Bielema (8/70... 11.4%)
*Orgeron's weeks as interim HC are counted, but Les Miles first 4 poll releases as LSU HC in 2016 are not counted
Now here is how they rank by their team's AP Poll Standing since they arrived (25 points for each weekly #1 ranking; 24 points for each weekly #2 ranking, etc.), then compared to every other program during that time period:
1. Saban.... #1 program from 2007-2017
2. Malzahn... #11 program from 2013-2017
3. Sumlin... #13 program from 2012-2017
4. McElwain... #17 program from 2015-2017
5. Orgeron... #18 program from late Sept 2016-2017
6. Smart... #23 program from 2016-2017
7. Mullen... #37 program from 2009-2017
8. Jones... #40 program from 2013-2017
9. Bielema... #49 program from 2013-2017
A few thoughts:
*Amazing that under McElwain, Florida has been ranked in over 86% of the weekly AP Poll releases, yet they are only the #18 program over the same time period. That guy has poured a rock solid foundation in the #16-#25 portion of the rankings, and it appears that the house he's built isn't moving much anywhere.
*The amount of hype that Mullen at Mississippi State receives is astounding. Since he arrived back in 2009, Mississippi State has not even averaged being close to a Top 25 program. Since 2009, Mississippi State has the #37 best weekly performance in the AP poll. Over the same span of years (2009-2017), they trail Alabama (#1), LSU (#2), Florida (#12), Georgia (#16), Auburn (#17), South Carolina (#16), Texas A&M (#20), Ole Miss (#27), and Arkansas (#30) to rank 10th of all current SEC programs over the period of his tenure. They are also just 2 spots ahead of Missouri (#39). Exactly why does he get so much credit? Since '09, Mississippi State's weekly performance in the AP Poll ranks one spot ahead of West Virginia's and one spot behind Houston.
*While I understand their fans' frustrations (and would probably feel the same way they do), it's amazing how much heat that both Malzahn and Sumlin get considering that Auburn is the #11 program according to the AP since Malzahn came on board.... and Texas A&M is the #13 program since Sumlin came on board. This at least according to the weekly AP Polls during their tenures. These standings come in ahead of where these programs rank all-time as programs.
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 1:18 pm
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Posted on 9/19/17 at 1:55 pm to BHMKyle
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The amount of hype that Mullen at Mississippi State receives is astounding. Since he arrived back in 2009, Mississippi State has not even averaged being close to a Top 25 program
Doesn't help when you have to win your way into the rankings every year. Bigger programs always get the benefit of the doubt, and typically two to three free weeks in the first polls before they get tested.
Mullen has been ranked in the preseason AP poll once
Posted on 9/19/17 at 2:06 pm to MNW
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Doesn't help when you have to win your way into the rankings every year.
Many programs have to do this.... not just Mississippi State.
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Bigger programs always get the benefit of the doubt, and typically two to three free weeks in the first polls before they get tested.
True, but typically they get this "benefit of the doubt" because they consistently win, and do so because they have a coach who consistently wins.
There are only 14-16 "Big Name" traditional powers.... and some of these (i.e. Nebraska) have been down for a long while. So there are at least 10-15 spots for a non-traditional power to start the year ranked in the Top 25 in any given year.
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Mullen has been ranked in the preseason AP poll once
... in 9 seasons. He's only FINISHED in the AP Poll twice. So its not like he's regularly proving the pollsters wrong on an annual basis.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 2:07 pm to MNW
Let's not kid ourselves and think that MSU has deserved to be ranked in the preseason polls more than one, maybe two times. I think he has done a great job at MSU, but his record against top 25 sucks, recruiting is inconsistent, and he hasn't ever won the West. Plus, he lost the only big bowl he's had at MSU.
Again, Mullen has been able to do a lot with a little at MSU. However, I think that the voters haven't put MSU in the preseason top 25 but once for good reason.
Again, Mullen has been able to do a lot with a little at MSU. However, I think that the voters haven't put MSU in the preseason top 25 but once for good reason.
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 2:55 pm
Posted on 9/19/17 at 2:09 pm to BHMKyle
BHMKyle's odd obsession with Dan Mullen continues.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 2:10 pm to Eric Nies Grind Time
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BHMKyle's odd obsession with Dan Mullen continues.
He did the same thing for awhile with Bert. He just loves numbers and coaches
Posted on 9/19/17 at 2:13 pm to BHMKyle
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*The amount of hype that Mullen at Mississippi State receives is astounding. Since he arrived back in 2009, Mississippi State has not even averaged being close to a Top 25 program.
You do realize that Mullen has to compete and play against Bama, LSU, Auburn, A&M, Arkansas and Ole Miss yearly as well as recruit against them and teams in the East.
I take it you didn't follow Mississippi State or SEC football prior to Mullen. Sylvester Croom left Mullen a team that had losses to Maine, UAB, Troy and La Tech.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 2:14 pm to BHMKyle
in those same 8 seasons Georgia has only finished in the top 25 3 times, but has been ranked in the preseason top 25 every year.
ETA:
Georgia Rankings(preseason-final)
2009 (13-NR)
2010 (23-NR)
2011 (19-19)
2012 (6-5) congrats
2013 (5-NR) ouch
2014 (12-13) last top 25 finish, 6 spots behind State
2015 (9-NR)
2016 (18-NR)
ETA:
Georgia Rankings(preseason-final)
2009 (13-NR)
2010 (23-NR)
2011 (19-19)
2012 (6-5) congrats
2013 (5-NR) ouch
2014 (12-13) last top 25 finish, 6 spots behind State
2015 (9-NR)
2016 (18-NR)
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 9/19/17 at 2:14 pm to RebelTheBear
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I think that the voters haven't put MSU in the preseason top 25 but once for good reason.
Because they aren't a "SEXY" name like a Notre Dame or Texas who both have underachieved yet still get preseason ranked.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 2:18 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
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You do realize that Mullen has to compete and play against Bama, LSU, Auburn, A&M, Arkansas and Ole Miss yearly as well as recruit against them and teams in the East.
Yes, yes I have heard of the SEC. Thank you.
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I take it you didn't follow Mississippi State or SEC football prior to Mullen. Sylvester Croom left Mullen a team that had losses to Maine, UAB, Troy and La Tech.
Amazing. I guess its Croom's fault that in Year 8 of Mullen's tenure, State lost to South Alabama, BYU, Kentucky, and only beat Miami (OH) by a single point. Yes, it was Croom's fault.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 2:21 pm to MNW
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in those same 8 seasons Georgia has only finished in the top 25 3 times, but has been ranked in the preseason top 25 every year.
Yes and we fired our coach because of it. No one was touting Mark Richt as the next big name in coaching hires during the last 10 years of his tenure at Georgia... despite the fact he was exponentially more successful than a guy like Dan Mullen.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 2:23 pm to rockiee
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He did the same thing for awhile with Bert. He just loves numbers and coaches
This is true. Arkansas fans think I'm obsessed with Bert. State fans thing I'm obsessed with Mullen. Florida fans think I'm obsessed with Mac. Maybe I just like pointing out irrational hype when its blindingly obvious.
And before anyone bring ups Kirby, I have never hyped him, nor have many Georgia fans hyped him since his arrival. I think he's going to be a good coach, but we are waiting patiently to see what he'll do. That is not HYPE.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 2:23 pm to BHMKyle
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While I understand their fans' frustrations (and would probably feel the same way they do), it's amazing how much heat that both Malzahn and Sumlin get considering that Auburn is the #11 program according to the AP since Malzahn came on board.... and Texas A&M is the #13 program since Sumlin came on board. T
We've had some embarassing losses as well as late season collapses. The QB fiascos with Kyler Murray, Kyle Allen, etc... and other off the field issues all come into play for the heat on Sumlin.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 2:23 pm to BHMKyle
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Amazing. I guess its Croom's fault that in Year 8 of Mullen's tenure, State lost to South Alabama, BYU, Kentucky, and only beat Miami (OH) by a single point. Yes, it was Croom's fault.
The previous two seasons we won a combined 19 games and had an all SEC QB. Not always easy to replace someone like Dak, but Fitz is doing fine this year.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 2:23 pm to BHMKyle
I can't believe you take the AP poll so seriously. You must be like 15.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 2:25 pm to BHMKyle
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BHMKyle
Tell me what you expectations should be if you were a Mississippi State fan? Do you expect Mullen to have 10+ win seasons every year? C'mon man
Dan is doing, and has done a great job throughout his career.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 2:26 pm to MSU5
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I can't believe you take the AP poll so seriously.
If I were a fan of Mississippi State, I wouldn't want to look at the polls either. It would get mighty tiring year after year not seeing my team's name.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 2:27 pm to RebelTheBear
Mullen finished 2nd to Bama in 2014 and won 10 games in the regular season
Posted on 9/19/17 at 2:28 pm to BHMKyle
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If I were a fan of Mississippi State, I wouldn't want to look at the polls either. It would get mighty tiring year after year not seeing my team's name.
Our fans dont really judge our head coach and program by weeks in the AP top 25.
Some of the AP voters showed how dumb they are this week voting LSU ahead of us and also not even voting us IN the top 25
Posted on 9/19/17 at 2:28 pm to BHMKyle
Only matters where you finish. A&M #'s are garbage.
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