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Saban doesn't teach backpeddling.

Posted on 9/11/12 at 7:29 pm
Posted by Kevua
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Posted on 9/11/12 at 7:29 pm
I did a search for the previous post a few months ago about Dre Kirkpatrick said Saban didn't teach back peddling. I wanted to just bump it, but since I couldn't find it with the nice search feature here I will post this:

Why Nick Saban doesn't teach Back Peddling.

As Saban tells it, he used to teach backpedaling until he was with the Cleveland Browns with Bill Belichick. The ownership signed the legendary Everson Walls, who, much to the dismay of the young defensive backs coach, Saban, ran about a 4.8 forty yard dash and simply could not, under any circumstances, backpedal. He was awkward, couldn’t accelerate, and there were other guys on the roster much better at backpedaling.

Walls also, however, was being paid significantly more than his coach, and it was clear from the ownership that Walls would be starting. He also, it must be said, was still a great player, and just happens to still rank 10th on the all time list of most interceptions in NFL history. So Saban began teaching his now famous “shuffle” technique, rather than the traditional backpedal. There’s a good deal to it, and it can adjust depending on the receiver’s exact release, but essentially it is a three-step shuffle technique, at which point the defensive back may break on a short route or can turn and run and play the receiver down the field.
Posted by Jon Ham
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Posted on 9/11/12 at 7:31 pm to
Interesting.. Someone needs to do a video showing the difference b/w Saban's/Walls' technique and the traditional technique.
Posted by stat19
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Posted on 9/11/12 at 7:32 pm to
Posted by CapstoneGrad06
Little Rock
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Posted on 9/11/12 at 7:32 pm to
It's an interesting backstory to how Coach Saban began teaching his current technique, but it will quickly devolve into a flame war.
Posted by stat19
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Posted on 9/11/12 at 7:33 pm to
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but it will quickly devolve into a flame war.


It already did when the story first came out.
Posted by Kevua
Birmingham, AL
Member since Apr 2012
237 posts
Posted on 9/11/12 at 7:36 pm to
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Interesting.. Someone needs to do a video showing the difference b/w Saban's/Walls' technique and the traditional technique.


Cornerback Techniques

Not videos but will talk about the press/shuffle
Posted by Blizzard of Chizz
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 9/11/12 at 7:37 pm to
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Complementing this is that Alabama’s cornerbacks spend about 90% of the game in a press coverage position, from which they either stay in press or can bail to a zone or off-man position. They do this because it threatens the offense and helps take away screens and quick passes


If there is one thing that has killed us the past 3 years, it's quick passes and quick screens.
This post was edited on 9/11/12 at 7:39 pm
Posted by dreaux
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Posted on 9/11/12 at 7:41 pm to
And when they get to the league they learn back peddling.
Posted by Kevua
Birmingham, AL
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 9/11/12 at 7:41 pm to
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If there is one thing that has killed us the past 3 years, it's quick passes and quick screens.



Makes me think that a team that specializes in the bubble screen and quick little passes would be in hell against a well run defense like that. I am surprised Texas and OU with their talent doesn't run it all the time being in the bubble screen conference.
Posted by CaptainBrannigan
Good Ole Rocky Top Tennessee
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Posted on 9/11/12 at 7:42 pm to
Well Auburn does not teach either, so suck it.
Posted by Kevua
Birmingham, AL
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 9/11/12 at 7:43 pm to
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And when they get to the league they learn back peddling.


Not a slam on it, but I am curious what is harder to learn. Back peddling or the press/shuffle? I know it would be best to learn both, but if you master the press and/or back peddling, which one is harder to master once you are in the pros.
Posted by dreaux
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Posted on 9/11/12 at 7:43 pm to
Btw. I watched that YouTube clip of Michigan in the link, and I fail to see an advantage. Not knocking it, but it seems risky if he can't get turned around.
Posted by Kevua
Birmingham, AL
Member since Apr 2012
237 posts
Posted on 9/11/12 at 7:44 pm to
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Btw. I watched that YouTube clip of Michigan in the link, and I fail to see an advantage. Not knocking it, but it seems risky if he can't get turned around.



Yeah, that is what I was thinking, but I do know if you can hold up the receivers it should give the safeties enough time to get back I would think. The problem with the Michigan game is our Safety was coming up for the run too quick I believe.
Posted by dreaux
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Posted on 9/11/12 at 7:46 pm to
Watch this clip. It goes through all our drills with the DB's. Lots more then just back peddling.

LINK
Posted by dkreller
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Posted on 9/11/12 at 7:47 pm to
back peddling is easy, however it takes years to develop quickness in your breaks
This post was edited on 9/11/12 at 9:08 pm
Posted by Kevua
Birmingham, AL
Member since Apr 2012
237 posts
Posted on 9/11/12 at 7:50 pm to
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Watch this clip. It goes through all our drills with the DB's. Lots more then just back peddling.



This is an underhanded compliment but watching that video they could be synchronized swimmers haha.

Nice link.

I know i have seen Bama doing back peddles like that in practice and warm-ups. But I don't think Saban really harps on it. Or at least I assume that is what they mean by not "teaching" back peddling.
Posted by Blizzard of Chizz
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 9/11/12 at 7:50 pm to
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Btw. I watched that YouTube clip of Michigan in the link, and I fail to see an advantage


I think the advantage is what you don't see in the youtube clip. Most of the passes in the video are lower percentage deep passes. What you don't see are any of the high percentage bubble screens or passes like that. The short passes you do see are either knocked down or completed for relatively short gains.. It's only clips of one player though, so it is possible those types of passes were thrown too
Posted by SECSolomonGrundy
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Posted on 9/11/12 at 7:58 pm to
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And when they get to the league, as millionaires, champions, and first round picks they learn back peddling.


fify
Posted by jdg91878
Do overs+Opinion poll politics =MNC
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 9/11/12 at 8:38 pm to
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So Saban began teaching his now famous “shuffle” technique, rather than the traditional backpedal


Did Saban invent press coverage. If not, he's not famous for it. Shuffling is just press/jam coverage. Both techniques are effective especially when you recruit elite talent.
This post was edited on 9/11/12 at 8:43 pm
Posted by jdg91878
Do overs+Opinion poll politics =MNC
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 9/11/12 at 8:44 pm to
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And when they get to the league they learn back peddling for the 1st time and that's why Dre is the 5th CB in Cinn and Kareem Jackson sucks in the NFL too.


Fify
This post was edited on 9/11/12 at 8:45 pm
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