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Ryan McGee, ESPN : How college football's Power 5 should expand
Posted on 5/10/16 at 7:15 am
Posted on 5/10/16 at 7:15 am
Flipping the Field: How college football's Power 5 should expand - ESPN (Ryan McGee)
Big 16
North
Air Force
BYU
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas Tech
South
Baylor
Texas
TCU
SMU
Tulane
New Mexico
Houston
Rice
SEC
East
Auburn*
Charlotte (ECU/UCF?)
Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
South Carolina
Tennessee
Vanderbilt
West
Alabama
Arkansas
LSU
Memphis
Mississippi State
Missouri*
Ole Miss
Texas A&M
ACC
Southern Division
Clemson
Duke
Florida State
Georgia Tech
Miami
North Carolina
NC State
Wake Forest
Northern Division
Boston College
Connecticut
Louisville
Pitt
Syracuse
Virginia
Virginia Tech
West Virginia (Navy?)
Big Ten
East Division
Cincinnati
Indiana
Maryland
Michigan
Michigan State
Ohio State
Penn State
Rutgers
West Division
Illinois
Iowa
Minnesota
Nebraska
Northwestern
Notre Dame
Purdue
Wisconsin
Pac-16
North
Boise State
Cal
Oregon
Oregon State
Stanford
Utah*
Washington
Washington State
South
Arizona
Arizona State
Colorado
Colorado State (Air Force?)
Hawaii
UCLA
UNLV (Nevada?)
USC
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But if that's where this is indeed all headed, what would that perfect Power 5 membership scenario look like? For the sake of dreaming, let's forget about the money-grubbing insanity that leads to moves like Maryland in the Big Ten or West Virginia in the Big 12. Instead, let's imagine what would work best from a purely regional, purely football point of view. A world where conferences worry more about dominating their corner of the map instead of invading others, giving us true regional representatives in their conference championship games and then the College Football Playoff (which, by the way, should stay at four -- my feelings on this are well-documented -- though I know it won't).
Big 16
North
Air Force
BYU
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas Tech
South
Baylor
Texas
TCU
SMU
Tulane
New Mexico
Houston
Rice
SEC
East
Auburn*
Charlotte (ECU/UCF?)
Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
South Carolina
Tennessee
Vanderbilt
West
Alabama
Arkansas
LSU
Memphis
Mississippi State
Missouri*
Ole Miss
Texas A&M
ACC
Southern Division
Clemson
Duke
Florida State
Georgia Tech
Miami
North Carolina
NC State
Wake Forest
Northern Division
Boston College
Connecticut
Louisville
Pitt
Syracuse
Virginia
Virginia Tech
West Virginia (Navy?)
Big Ten
East Division
Cincinnati
Indiana
Maryland
Michigan
Michigan State
Ohio State
Penn State
Rutgers
West Division
Illinois
Iowa
Minnesota
Nebraska
Northwestern
Notre Dame
Purdue
Wisconsin
Pac-16
North
Boise State
Cal
Oregon
Oregon State
Stanford
Utah*
Washington
Washington State
South
Arizona
Arizona State
Colorado
Colorado State (Air Force?)
Hawaii
UCLA
UNLV (Nevada?)
USC
quote:
The last piece to this puzzle would be the pile of schools that have been left out. Many within the industry foresee the former Group of 5 becoming the new FCS. I hate that. So why not create regions for these schools, too? Think of East and West divisions that play an ever-shifting schedule. Any school that survives that bunkhouse stampede plus a crossover game against a Power 5 program would certainly be worthy of a big postseason bid.
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Posted on 5/10/16 at 7:16 am to SummerOfGeorge
So the big 12 just becomes the new conference USA 
Posted on 5/10/16 at 7:31 am to SummerOfGeorge
It should be four leagues of 16 not 5.
No reason to water it down to this level.
Each leagues has 4 pods with 4 teams.
Each Pod winners play in a final 4 of the conference. Then those winners play in the conference championship.
Then the four conference championship winners play in the playoff.
If you want it to be NFL lite here is your version, you essentially have a 16 team playoff.
The problem with this method is you eliminate the need for polls and good out of conference matchups (besides just to test yourself and get ready for conference play).
So I don't like it.
No reason to water it down to this level.
Each leagues has 4 pods with 4 teams.
Each Pod winners play in a final 4 of the conference. Then those winners play in the conference championship.
Then the four conference championship winners play in the playoff.
If you want it to be NFL lite here is your version, you essentially have a 16 team playoff.
The problem with this method is you eliminate the need for polls and good out of conference matchups (besides just to test yourself and get ready for conference play).
So I don't like it.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 7:41 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Charlotte (ECU/UCF?)
Posted on 5/10/16 at 7:48 am to SummerOfGeorge
They lost me at Charlotte lol
Posted on 5/10/16 at 7:49 am to SummerOfGeorge
ecu has a pretty strong FB program/history and is right outside RTP. that said, adding them and Memphis doesn't strengthen the conference.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 7:51 am to SummerOfGeorge
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SEC
East
Auburn*
Charlotte (ECU/UCF?)
UNCC is one of the fastest growing schools in the country. They also seem to have plenty of $ as there is a bunch of new construction going on around campus. However, the SECN is already all over NC. ECU is often considered the 5th or 6th school in NC, even though they've beaten UNC and NCState recently. UCF would be the best option out of the 3, but the draw back would be not adding another "SEC state." They have more 'football tradition' than the other schools, larger fanbases and are in a larger market.
I guess it would all come down to revenue projections on who would actually add more value
Posted on 5/10/16 at 8:18 am to CockInYourEar
This stuff is just garbage. It would take someone being the commissioner of college football to have the power to organize this mess. We do not and will not ever have such a position. The NCAA cannot really force colleges to be in a conference. They are free to align themselves with whoever the frick they want to.
These kind of articles are lazy and stupid. Lets compare it with politics.
So, basically we have an article where the writer pretends tha he was the commissioner of college football. This is normal. We do this about politics all the time. If I was governor... If I was president.... Etc.
I equate the ideas presented as basically like being commissioner of NATO. A completely farcical and ridiculous position. If I was commissioner of NATO I would make this country play with these other countries over here. And for fun lets separate France and Germany (Alabama and Auburn for example) into Europe East and Europe West. That way they won't play every year. But just for kicks I want to make Belgium (Memphis) have the same status as France and Germany as well. It's amazing people get paid to write this shite.
It is about as likely that a commissioner of college football with total authority would appear as it is that a commissioner running the entire world with total authority appears one day.
These kind of articles are lazy and stupid. Lets compare it with politics.
So, basically we have an article where the writer pretends tha he was the commissioner of college football. This is normal. We do this about politics all the time. If I was governor... If I was president.... Etc.
I equate the ideas presented as basically like being commissioner of NATO. A completely farcical and ridiculous position. If I was commissioner of NATO I would make this country play with these other countries over here. And for fun lets separate France and Germany (Alabama and Auburn for example) into Europe East and Europe West. That way they won't play every year. But just for kicks I want to make Belgium (Memphis) have the same status as France and Germany as well. It's amazing people get paid to write this shite.
It is about as likely that a commissioner of college football with total authority would appear as it is that a commissioner running the entire world with total authority appears one day.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 8:40 am to SummerOfGeorge
infinite downvotes.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 9:03 am to SummerOfGeorge
This is no better than the number of random jackwagons on this site and a thousand others that have done the exact same over the past 5 years. It's all stupid. You can't force a conference to take shitty schools they don't want, and unfortunately for all of those with a tinge of Autism, that doesn't fit in to a nice and neat homogeneous number.5 different 16 team conferences only happens in some arse backwards scenario like the one he presented here. The Big 12 would have to be able to acquire schools like Tulane and Colorado State and turn them in to revenue generating programs overnight and the B1G would have to take schools like Cincinnati. Not impossible, but highly unlikely. The far more likely scenario is 4 different 16 team conferences, and even then it's going to be wild assed.
Unless the SEC destabilizes the ACC, and really there is no point in that, then everything is going to stay as is. The B1G might pick up Kansas or maybe UConn, and the Pac-12 may move in to Nevada or New Mexico, the Big 12 might even add two programs from the list of schools that were thrown around here ad nauseum, but everything reaches a saturation point, and the SEC has most likely reached that point. Don't get me wrong, part of me would love to see the SEC grab any combination of Duke, UNC, NC State, UVA or Virginia Tech. But the other part of me thinks that 8 conference games gives the most flexibility for teams to schedule regional non-conference rivals and national primetime opponents, and that's what the powers that be realize needs to be preserved. It is just the way it is. I would love more conference games, but the cost is too great.
Unless the SEC destabilizes the ACC, and really there is no point in that, then everything is going to stay as is. The B1G might pick up Kansas or maybe UConn, and the Pac-12 may move in to Nevada or New Mexico, the Big 12 might even add two programs from the list of schools that were thrown around here ad nauseum, but everything reaches a saturation point, and the SEC has most likely reached that point. Don't get me wrong, part of me would love to see the SEC grab any combination of Duke, UNC, NC State, UVA or Virginia Tech. But the other part of me thinks that 8 conference games gives the most flexibility for teams to schedule regional non-conference rivals and national primetime opponents, and that's what the powers that be realize needs to be preserved. It is just the way it is. I would love more conference games, but the cost is too great.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 9:10 am to TeLeFaWx
quote:
This is no better than the number of random jackwagons on this site and a thousand others that have done the exact same over the past 5 years.
Yep. The idea that the SEC would take a non-P5 school like ECU or Charlotte is laughably stupid.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 10:39 am to SummerOfGeorge
this is what I don't get. this is a talk board. it's slow season - this guy want to talk football. yeah, it's never gonna happen, but to pass the time it can be interesting to play scenarios.
if you don't like it, why don't you just skip it? you have to write a small article venting your frustration? there are plenty of posts - find the ones you like.
no need to bash someone because his idea seems stupid to you. do yourself a favor and don't waste the energy.
cause I could write an essay - the "stupid" posts are never gonna stop!
if you don't like it, why don't you just skip it? you have to write a small article venting your frustration? there are plenty of posts - find the ones you like.
no need to bash someone because his idea seems stupid to you. do yourself a favor and don't waste the energy.
cause I could write an essay - the "stupid" posts are never gonna stop!
Posted on 5/10/16 at 10:49 am to SummerOfGeorge
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SMU
Tulane
New Mexico
Rice
Holy shite
Posted on 5/10/16 at 11:15 am to SummerOfGeorge
I think they added "Charlotte" because that's where the SEC Network is located (isn't ESPN always accused of propping up UCONN sports due to Bristol proximity?). Unless they create a school from scratch there, I don't see that happening with the scrubs they listed.
Seriously, though, Memphis? We have officially hit maximum off-season.
Seriously, though, Memphis? We have officially hit maximum off-season.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 11:26 am to RebTheodoreLogan
It would be much easier to just dissolve the Big 12 and the 4 power conferences pick who they want to get to 16-20 teams.
ACC - Notre Dame becomes full member and add West Virginia
Big 10 - Add Kansas and either Iowa St or K. State
SEC - Add Oklahoma and either Ok. St, Baylor, TCU or Texas Tech
Pac 12 - Add Texas and whatever Texas/Oklahoma schools the SEC didnt get.
Puts everyone at 16 and only 1 school most likely Iowa Sate gets left out.
ACC - Notre Dame becomes full member and add West Virginia
Big 10 - Add Kansas and either Iowa St or K. State
SEC - Add Oklahoma and either Ok. St, Baylor, TCU or Texas Tech
Pac 12 - Add Texas and whatever Texas/Oklahoma schools the SEC didnt get.
Puts everyone at 16 and only 1 school most likely Iowa Sate gets left out.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 12:08 pm to SummerOfGeorge
So much ignorance in that. Let's break it down by "conference"
Big 16
-BYU will not be allowed to join. They cannot play on Sundays per University Policies and charters. The Big 12 plays many of their events on Sundays. That would mean that BYU would not be able to participate in women's basketball or baseball. Also Texas will never allow another school to dictate scheduling/location
-Houston. Texas will fight tooth and nail to keep them out like they did with the SWC until they were overruled in the 70's.
-New Mexico in the "south" and Texas Tech in the "north". Albuquerque is further north than Lubbock by at least 100 miles
-6 private schools, 5 higher caliber academically than Baylor. Would Baylor agree to that? Would Texas be willing to no longer be the top dog academically like they've been able to claim superiority over since 1996?
SEC
-Any expansions to the SEC will add additional markets. Unless a clause is put in requiring Alabama to play both Tennessee and Auburn every season, that proposal will never be accepted
ACC
-Far more likely that Navy joins than West Virginia
Big Ten
-Cincinnati and Notre Dame aren't AAU schools. ND is not going to give up their independence in football.
PAC 16
-If the PAC 12 wasn't going to add Oklahoma State or Texas Tech due to poor academics, they sure as hell aren't going to let Boise State, which is a glorified JUCO, in, nor will they let UNLV or Hawai'i. Colorado State is the only feasible add out of that list for them.
Big 16
-BYU will not be allowed to join. They cannot play on Sundays per University Policies and charters. The Big 12 plays many of their events on Sundays. That would mean that BYU would not be able to participate in women's basketball or baseball. Also Texas will never allow another school to dictate scheduling/location
-Houston. Texas will fight tooth and nail to keep them out like they did with the SWC until they were overruled in the 70's.
-New Mexico in the "south" and Texas Tech in the "north". Albuquerque is further north than Lubbock by at least 100 miles
-6 private schools, 5 higher caliber academically than Baylor. Would Baylor agree to that? Would Texas be willing to no longer be the top dog academically like they've been able to claim superiority over since 1996?
SEC
-Any expansions to the SEC will add additional markets. Unless a clause is put in requiring Alabama to play both Tennessee and Auburn every season, that proposal will never be accepted
ACC
-Far more likely that Navy joins than West Virginia
Big Ten
-Cincinnati and Notre Dame aren't AAU schools. ND is not going to give up their independence in football.
PAC 16
-If the PAC 12 wasn't going to add Oklahoma State or Texas Tech due to poor academics, they sure as hell aren't going to let Boise State, which is a glorified JUCO, in, nor will they let UNLV or Hawai'i. Colorado State is the only feasible add out of that list for them.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 12:08 pm to ford1911
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Big 10 - Add Kansas and either Iowa St or K. State
Iowa State and Kansas are AAU members, Kansas State is not.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 12:09 pm to SummerOfGeorge
16 is just too many teams. I'd rather there be 10 teams per conference rather than 16
Posted on 5/10/16 at 12:13 pm to bamafan1001
There is no way the SEC is adding Memphis and/or Charlotte/UCF/ECU/USF
Posted on 5/10/16 at 12:13 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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SEC
East
Auburn*
Charlotte (ECU/UCF?)
Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
South Carolina
Tennessee
Vanderbilt
West
Alabama
Arkansas
LSU
Memphis
Mississippi State
Missouri*
Ole Miss
Texas A&M
quote:
Charlotte
Wtf? They've only had a football program since 2013.
This post was edited on 5/10/16 at 12:14 pm
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