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re: Returning SEC running backs against SEC Competition & Ranked teams
Posted on 5/29/15 at 8:06 pm to Vol92
Posted on 5/29/15 at 8:06 pm to Vol92
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Vol92
UGA fans wont be happy until everyone sucks Chubb off. Even though the majority of people think he is the best, just mentioning another back that is "also good" is fighting words.
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Posted on 5/29/15 at 8:06 pm to Vol92
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A little common sense is needed
Even looking at receiving yards - Chubb has the same number of receiving yards as Hurd and twice the touchdowns on about half the receptions.
Hurd is a good back - but he is not in Chubb's league. Any other conclusion is homerism, not common sense.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 8:07 pm to GoldenDawg
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Chubb didn't even start the first five games of the season and only averaged about 6 carries per game during that time frame.
He averaged about 7.25 ypc during that time frame I think.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 8:08 pm to JayDeerTay84
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just mentioning another back that is "also good" is fighting words.
So so wrong. There are a lot of backs in the SEC that are "also good". Quite a bit of them.
The fighting words happen when some homer says their back is "just as good" as Chubb (and the occasional LSU homer that says LF is "better"
). Except the fight is like, really easy given all of those pesky little facts.
This post was edited on 5/29/15 at 8:10 pm
Posted on 5/29/15 at 8:10 pm to GoldenDawg
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So so wrong. There are a lot of backs in the SEC that are "also good". Quite a bit of them.
The fighting words happen when some homer says their back is "just as good".
Except the fight is like, really easy given all of those pesky little facts.
Well, its all opinions. None of us, including you, wont know if its true until after all finish their career.
Chubb could have a poop year next you or one of UGA's freshman could be better.
I don't see whats so wrong with a fan base having opinions that differ.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 8:11 pm to GoldenDawg
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Nothing backs that up, nothing, except personal opinion of Vol fans. Which is fine, but the facts shown by the stats are not even remotely close. Especially given Chubb didn't even start the first five games of the season and only averaged about 6 carries per game during that time frame.
Like I said.. One was next in line in an offense that had already been built to spotlight the RB position, while the other was in an offense with 5 new OL starters.
Chubb is a beast, but just looking at the stats and saying he is infinitely better than any other back in the SEC is insufficient.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 8:12 pm to Vol92
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but just looking at the stats and saying he is infinitely better than any other back in the SEC is insufficient.
Infinitely? Nah. Significantly? I think that's a safe assumption.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 8:13 pm to JayDeerTay84
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Chubb could have a poop year next you or one of UGA's freshman could be better.
The only thing we have to go on - the only thing - are the stats from last year, of which there are plenty.
Sure, all sorts of things could change. LF might hang out with too many rappers in the off-season and have even worse stats, for example.
But given the body of work to date - no one, and especially no other true freshman last year, is close to Chubb.
Any other opinion is blatant homerism.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 8:16 pm to GoldenDawg
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But given the body of work to date - no one, and especially no other true freshman last year, is close to Chubb.
Well, that's just not true. There are a few backs that "are" "close".
Chubb isn't some extraterrestrial RB.
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Any other opinion is blatant homerism.
And your opinion "isn't" homerism???
Posted on 5/29/15 at 8:21 pm to jiffyjohnson
Who me?
Posted on 5/29/15 at 8:24 pm to JayDeerTay84
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Well, that's just not true. There are a few backs that "are" "close".
Chubb isn't some extraterrestrial RB.
True. I think Derrick Henry is close, and maybe Wilds.
But Hurd isn't, which is the point. And I never claimed Chubb was an alien, just that he's a heckuva lot better than Hurd. But so are a number of other non-alien SEC RBs, so .....
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And your opinion "isn't" homerism???
No. Not when every single stat - and please read this again - EVERY SINGLE STAT - backs me up on this. By quite a bit.
What do you counter with? No stats, no facts, just opinion. And your opinion is - shocker here! - that your own team's back is just as good. Even though the stats show he barely makes the top ten.
So yeah, your opinion is homerism, mine is based on facts. S'truth.
This post was edited on 5/29/15 at 8:26 pm
Posted on 5/29/15 at 8:26 pm to GoldenDawg
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No. Not when every single stat - and please read this again - EVERY SINGLE STAT - backs me up on this. By quite a bit.
What do you counter with? No stats, no facts, just opinion. And your opinion is - shocker here! - that your own team's back is just as good. Even though the stats show he barely makes the top ten.
So yeah, your opinion is homerism, mine is based on facts. S'truth
How many yards did Chubb get on 1 vs 11's again?
Chubb had a great freshman season no doubt, but he is apart of a team.
Well, you've already re-nig'd on your original statement and have thus confirmed other RB's are in the same realm so I will stop here.
I haven't even said names of other backs. You probably foolishly assume I'd say something like LF7.
Well, you'd just be another dumb UGA fan then. I have LF7 has 4th best in the league right now......
This post was edited on 5/29/15 at 8:30 pm
Posted on 5/29/15 at 8:31 pm to JayDeerTay84
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Well, you've already re-nig'd on your original statement and have thus confirmed other RB's are in the same realm so I will stop here.
Some of the returning SEC backs are in the same realm, but none are close to Chubb and Hurd is not in the same realm.
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How many yards did Chubb get on 1 vs 11's again?
Chubb faced as many defenses out to stop the run as Hurd. Including (at the time) the number #3 run defense in the country - primed to stop Chubb.
Chubb ran for over 260, and the #3 run defense in the country ended the season #8 in the country.
Look, no matter how you want to look at it, it's not close. Which is why I love having these arguments.
What else you got for me? I'm in the mood for shooting fish in a barrel tonight.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 8:36 pm to GoldenDawg
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Some of the returning SEC backs are in the same realm, but none are close to Chubb
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Look, no matter how you want to look at it, it's not close
OK you can argue with yourself.
You talk in circles just like a dumb redneck would.
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Chubb faced as many defenses out to stop the run as Hurd. Including (at the time) the number #3 run defense in the country - primed to stop Chubb.
Two points. I dont give a shite about Hurd, So you can stop mentioning that back.
Second, its not always about the opposing D as much as it has to do with the O any back in the conversation is on.
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What else you got for me? I'm in the mood for shooting fish in a barrel tonight.
More like you shoot holes in your argument yourself.
You have contradicted yourself 4 times in this thread now.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 8:37 pm to GoldenDawg
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Chubb faced as many defenses out to stop the run as Hurd. Including (at the time) the number #3 run defense in the country - primed to stop Chubb.
Chubb ran for over 260, and the #3 run defense in the country ended the season #8 in the country.
Look, no matter how you want to look at it, it's not close. Which is why I love having these arguments.
What else you got for me? I'm in the mood for shooting fish in a barrel tonight.
Its called blocking and having an offense with experience.. that has been built to run the ball.
The difference between Hurd/Chubb last season are the big chunk runs. Hurd is one of the top 5 fastest players on our team, speed isn't the issue. BLOCKING was the issue, which UGA did incredibly well.. in an offense that has been built over multiple seasons to do just that.
We started 5 new OL and our starting TE was a true freshman, they were not capable yet of setting up the big play. 2nd/3rd level blocks was something to dream of.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 8:39 pm to Vol92
I'll be honest... when I started this thread I didn't envision UGA fans arguing with Tennessee fans and an LSU fan as the mediator.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 8:41 pm to Tuscaloosa
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an LSU fan as the mediator.
Yeah, I don't see any LSU fan mediator here.
Posted on 5/29/15 at 8:46 pm to JayDeerTay84
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You talk in circles just like a dumb redneck would.
Oooh. You just called me a name.
I think I'll take that as you have no real argument so you resort to middle school tactics. Good on ya! quote:
Second, its not always about the opposing D
Yeah, the opposing D has nothing to do with stopping a running back. Geez. Read what you type before you press the 'Submit' button please.
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You have contradicted yourself 4 times in this thread now.
Chubb is definitely the best RB in the SEC. That's my argument, and I've been consistent with this the entire off-season. You? Well, first it's UGA plays in the SECE. Oh, Chubb has done better against the SECW than LF? Uh, then it's our offensive line, or our QB, or .... pick one. You have no idea what your argument is at this point. But please, pick another one - I know you've got it in ya! This post was edited on 5/29/15 at 8:56 pm
Posted on 5/29/15 at 8:53 pm to Vol92
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The difference between Hurd/Chubb last season are the big chunk runs.
That's it? That's your argument that Hurd is as good as Chubb? That Chubb broke off some big runs last year and Hurd couldn't because of blocking?
wow. Okay, how about against piss poor defenses with piss poor DLs? How did Hurd do then?
Vandy - longest run = 9 yards.
Kentucky - longest run = 14 yards.
Arkansas State - longest run = 12 yards.
Chattanooga - longest run = 7 yards.
Utah State - longest run = 7 yards.
Sorry, but that's just bad. I don't care who you have blocking for you.
Next excuse?
Posted on 5/29/15 at 8:56 pm to GoldenDawg
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Yeah, the opposing D has nothing to do with stopping a running back. Geez. Read what you type before you press the 'Submit' button please
Speaking of reading, when did I say "nothing"?
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Chubb is definitely the best RB in the SEC. That's my argument, and I've been consistent with this the entire off-season. You? Well, it's either UGA plays in the SECE. Oh, Chubb has done better against the SECW than LF? Uh, then it's our offensive line, or our QB, or .... pick one. You have no idea what your argument is at this point. But please, pick another one - I know you've got it in ya!
Arguing with yourself again. One more time.
You said NO OTHER BACKS WERE CLOSE.
Still with me?
Once you can confirm you have comprehended this far, we can continue.
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