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Remember when ATM made Sumlin the 3rd $5million per year Coach.
Posted on 12/29/16 at 8:49 am
Posted on 12/29/16 at 8:49 am
And when criticized for paying a coach so much with such little proven success, they were so defensive because they now had "swag."
This post was edited on 12/29/16 at 8:52 am
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Posted on 12/29/16 at 8:51 am to MrMojoRisin
Sumlin won the lottery and he is just reaping the benefits.
Posted on 12/29/16 at 8:52 am to MrMojoRisin
Manziel made Sumlin rich.
Posted on 12/29/16 at 8:53 am to MrMojoRisin
They got leveraged, unfortunately. That seems to be happening all over college football because you have agents against these academic types with no real world experience. So it isn't any surprise that they get trounced at the negotiating table.
I was listening a bit on the radio. I thought I might have heard them say Knight is a 51% passer on the year. Is that right?
I was listening a bit on the radio. I thought I might have heard them say Knight is a 51% passer on the year. Is that right?
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Posted on 12/29/16 at 9:03 am to therick711
One of the SECr favorite pastimes is equating salary with quality in coaches
Posted on 12/29/16 at 9:10 am to MrMojoRisin
It's not even that much money nowadays.
Posted on 12/29/16 at 9:18 am to MrMojoRisin
Posted on 12/29/16 at 9:29 am to cardboardboxer
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It's not even that much money nowadays.
He's still the 6 or 7th highest compensated coach in football and 2nd in the SEC.
Texas A&M finished in the top HALF of the DIVISION only ONCE during his tenure. (Tied for 2nd, 4th, 6th, 5th and 4th in the division). He's only had ONE winning conference record in 5 years and is the 2nd highest paid coach in the conference; 6th nationally.
Posted on 12/29/16 at 9:32 am to therick711
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They got leveraged, unfortunately. That seems to be happening all over college football because you have agents against these academic types with no real world experience. So it isn't any surprise that they get trounced at the negotiating table.
Well if someone else is willing to risk paying your coach X amount in search of success you have to counter, if it's not worth it to you don't do it.
A&M thought it was worth it at the time. Yes a performance based salary would be more ideal, but somone else desperate enough just has to offer guaranteed money and you are again forced to decide
When football isn't so lucrative for the school coaches won't be worth as much
This post was edited on 12/29/16 at 9:38 am
Posted on 12/29/16 at 9:32 am to MrMojoRisin
I agree with the sentiment here. Sumlin isn't a bad coach overall. But if he is to be graded against the University's investment into him, then yes; so far it is a bad investment. TBD of when ATM will cut their losses.
Posted on 12/29/16 at 9:35 am to MrMojoRisin
Meh, Charlie Strong got paid more than Sumlin to do less.
I won't defend Sumlin as a coach, but his salary doesn't matter.
I won't defend Sumlin as a coach, but his salary doesn't matter.
Posted on 12/29/16 at 9:44 am to cardboardboxer
Sumlin got the "we beat Bama" contract. Same as Freeze and the reason Miles lasted way past his overdue date.
You're going to be handsomely rewarded if you sniff any success against Bama.
You're going to be handsomely rewarded if you sniff any success against Bama.
Posted on 12/29/16 at 9:47 am to Kafkas father
You do know miles won a championship right and had two national title appearances. The other two coaches you mentioned have none
Posted on 12/29/16 at 9:53 am to Lsuchs
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Well if someone else is willing to risk paying your coach X amount in search of success you have to counter, if it's not worth it to you don't do it.
A&M thought it was worth it at the time. Yes a performance based salary would be more ideal, but somone else desperate enough just has to offer guaranteed money and you are again forced to decide
When football isn't so lucrative for the school coaches won't be worth as much
While much of that is true, if ADs had experience actually working deals, they wouldn't get fleeced regularly like they do. There is a way to work to retain coaches without getting fleeced.
Posted on 12/29/16 at 9:53 am to FL tigers 321
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You do know miles won a championship right and had two national title appearances.
Yes, we are all aware. You fired him for not being Saban. You replaced him with a coach who has a 3-21 SEC record.
Posted on 12/29/16 at 9:55 am to cardboardboxer
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Meh, Charlie Strong got paid more than Sumlin to do much less.
Posted on 12/29/16 at 9:55 am to Arkansasrazorback
Didn't that 3-21 coach destroy your team?
Posted on 12/29/16 at 9:58 am to therick711
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While much of that is true, if ADs had experience actually working deals, they wouldn't get fleeced regularly like they do. There is a way to work to retain coaches without getting fleeced.
I agree ADs could call an agents bluff at times, but a lot of times they aren't bluffing.
If Jimbo goes 8-5 the next two years people will complain about his salary, and rightfully so. But they absolutely needed to pay him that or he would be in Baton Rouge next month. They decided it was worth it at the time, hindsight is 20/20
This post was edited on 12/29/16 at 9:59 am
Posted on 12/29/16 at 9:59 am to Rhino5
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Manziel made Sumlin rich
To be fair, playing in Sumlin's system at tamu made Johnny 8 Ball a first round pick. It was obvious from day one that he didn't have the tools, skills, or mindset to be an NFL player.
Posted on 12/29/16 at 10:03 am to logjamming
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mindset to be an NFL player.
I believe sumlin could have contributed to that
Tyrann Mathieu didn't have the mindset to be an NFL player. Miles booted him from the team for internal failed drug tests (tested weekly) with no legal trouble while at LSU. He hit rock bottom and became a new man.
Who knows if it would have helped Jonny, but I doubt he was held accountable for his substance abuse at college station
This post was edited on 12/29/16 at 10:09 am
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