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Posted on 6/15/17 at 11:52 pm
Posted on 6/15/17 at 11:52 pm
Why do people act like a coach being suspended for five or eight games or even a season is that big of a deal?
I feel like an assistant would just take over and the school would probably do about the same unless your coach exclusively calls plays.
And why do people act like vacating wins or even championships is even a big deal?
Even if you won the National Championship let's say and then the next year you had to vacate that when what does it matter you know you already wanted you know you were the best team nobody can take that away from you except in name.
Like when I think significant punishment I think your coaches fired and I think major major scholarship reductions.
I don't really understand completely what a show-cause is but I'm assuming that that's a really bad punishment as well.
I just don't think forfeiting a championship and forfeiting wins is that big of a deal if we had to Forfeit the Oklahoma State win Sugar Bowl win I honestly wouldn't care because we won the game and it was last year so who really cares.
Does anybody else think that a coach being suspended for a season or a couple games is even that big of a deal or am I missing something?
I'm bringing this up because I just read an article about Louisville's head coach Pitino being suspended for 5 games and then having to give up their Championship that they would but it doesn't even seem like that big of a deal. I don't know maybe it's just me.
I feel like an assistant would just take over and the school would probably do about the same unless your coach exclusively calls plays.
And why do people act like vacating wins or even championships is even a big deal?
Even if you won the National Championship let's say and then the next year you had to vacate that when what does it matter you know you already wanted you know you were the best team nobody can take that away from you except in name.
Like when I think significant punishment I think your coaches fired and I think major major scholarship reductions.
I don't really understand completely what a show-cause is but I'm assuming that that's a really bad punishment as well.
I just don't think forfeiting a championship and forfeiting wins is that big of a deal if we had to Forfeit the Oklahoma State win Sugar Bowl win I honestly wouldn't care because we won the game and it was last year so who really cares.
Does anybody else think that a coach being suspended for a season or a couple games is even that big of a deal or am I missing something?
I'm bringing this up because I just read an article about Louisville's head coach Pitino being suspended for 5 games and then having to give up their Championship that they would but it doesn't even seem like that big of a deal. I don't know maybe it's just me.
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Posted on 6/15/17 at 11:56 pm to Craig86
nobody really thinks vacating wins is a big deal. you didnt need to type a novella to convince us
Posted on 6/15/17 at 11:58 pm to Craig86
Are we talking exclusively to a 20+ game sport? Because if it's football, would you really trust Kiffin to coach in place of Saban for 480 minutes of the season? In football having a coach suspended is seasonal suicide.
Other sports it's a non factor and quite frankly very dumb.
Other sports it's a non factor and quite frankly very dumb.
Posted on 6/16/17 at 12:07 am to FourThreeForty
I guess it depends on how much you really think I had coach affects the outcome of a game let alone a season.
I personally don't believe that they really affect the game all that much like I said unless they're directly calling plays.
I personally don't believe that they really affect the game all that much like I said unless they're directly calling plays.
Posted on 6/16/17 at 12:15 am to Craig86
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And why do people act like vacating championships is even a big deal?
It's not if you're an Ole Miss fan.
Posted on 6/16/17 at 12:26 am to Craig86
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Like when I think significant punishment I think your coaches fired and I think major major scholarship reductions.
Crazy. Most Ole Miss fans don't think you'll get this much. I'm suprised you do.
Posted on 6/16/17 at 12:45 am to Uncle Gunnysack
Well they can't vacate any championships
Posted on 6/16/17 at 12:55 am to Craig86
Taking 4 schollys away from a basketball team is pretty severe when you're trying to compete with the bluebloods of the sport. By year 4, UL will be playing with only 9 scholarship players compared to others 13 on their rosters. It basically makes you hit on every recruit you sign and have no busts, which isnt going to happen. Then you have to hope they all stay eligible and don't get injured, beyond that, who are you going to have as backups when those guys get tired? Some true freshman or some walkon? It's not good lol. Not to mention being put on probation for 4 years is a big deal. Because you have to honestly recruit like other teams do now and not give extra benefits to players to recruit like you had been doing. Don't worry, ole miss will find out soon enough what scholly reductions and probation does to your program. Not to mention that ole miss is nowhere near the program in football that louisville is in basketball. Yall will be at the bottom of the west for a decade, not that you wouldn't be there anyway, but you get my point. It's going to be exponentially more difficult for ole miss to dig itself out of this hole than it will be for louisville basketball. You frickers my not even win the party anymore, its going to be the bad.
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Posted on 6/16/17 at 1:15 am to Craig86
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I personally don't believe that they really affect the game all that much like I said unless they're directly calling plays.
You didn't have to deal with Coach Elmer Fudd the last 12 years. frick, some of those games we would of probably been better off with him being suspended.
Posted on 6/16/17 at 3:53 am to Craig86
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I personally don't believe that they really affect the game all that much like I said unless they're directly calling plays.
Yeah, the Saints were super good when Sean Payton got suspended for the year.
Posted on 6/16/17 at 4:47 am to Craig86
Alabama had to forfeit wins not too long ago. Saw that looking at TSIO records.
Posted on 6/16/17 at 9:28 am to Craig86
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Why do people act like a coach being suspended for five or eight games or even a season is that big of a deal?
Bc the suspension isn't simply for the games. it is for the practices, team meetings, coaching meetings, etc during the weeks of those competitive events. So, in Freeze's case, if he is suspended for 30% of the conference schedule (as was Pitino), which would be a light punishment given that Freeze was named in the allegations and Pitino wasn't, then Freeze wouldn't be involved in practices or gameplanning for 3 conference games. Your natural thought is "i'm sure he'd find a way to be involved", and you may be right, but if he does and the NCAA finds out about it then you're looking at more trouble.
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when I think significant punishment I think your coaches fired and I think major major scholarship reductions.
well, you're definitely going to get at least one of these in the OM case. Good luck.
Posted on 6/16/17 at 10:26 am to Craig86
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I just don't think forfeiting a championship
Well yall are catching a break on this one. Good luck with the rest of it. Maybe yall don't have enough wins to foreit and satisfy the punishment handed down. God what do you do at that point.
Posted on 7/21/17 at 9:23 am to Craig86
Posted on 7/21/17 at 9:28 am to Craig86
The worst part is the rest of your coaching staff are now lame duck coaches. They will not recruit or develop your current players because it's a waste of time to them. They will be more concerned with trying to land a new job after this season.
You will miss an entire years worth of recruiting. Plus you will have transfers and decommitments from players that were previously recruited.
I learned this the hard way when Petrino was fired.
You will miss an entire years worth of recruiting. Plus you will have transfers and decommitments from players that were previously recruited.
I learned this the hard way when Petrino was fired.
Posted on 7/21/17 at 9:32 am to Craig86
Ole Miss is about to lose a lot of money. Ticket sales are going to go down and I'm sure there are going to be donors who decide they don't want to give any more money to a corrupt program. No idea how long this will take for Ole Miss to recover from this.
Posted on 7/21/17 at 9:34 am to dbeck
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The worst part is the rest of your coaching staff are now lame duck coaches. They will not recruit or develop your current players because it's a waste of time to them. They will be more concerned with trying to land a new job after this season.
The best thing that Ole Miss fans can hope for is if this team and coaches rally together with an us against the world attitude. If players and coaches are already thinking about where there next stop is going to be then it's going to be an ugly season for Ole Miss.
Posted on 7/21/17 at 9:35 am to TheGusBus34
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TheGusBus34
I approve of your bumps this morning.
Posted on 7/21/17 at 9:41 am to nvasil1
Posted on 7/21/17 at 9:49 am to Craig86
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I don't really understand completely what a show-cause is but I'm assuming that that's a really bad punishment as well.
It's a punishment for the coach personally. It means if any school proposes to hire him, they have to "show cause" to the NCAA why they think there's a good reason, that they have procedures in place to make sure he follows the rules, etc. and get the NCAA's permission to hire him. It makes it really hard for the coach to get another job because no school wants that headache or the negative spotlight.
This post was edited on 7/21/17 at 9:52 am
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