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Question on Freeze's behavior at Briarcrest Christian School in relation to Ole Miss
Posted on 7/26/17 at 11:37 am
Posted on 7/26/17 at 11:37 am
Before I start, please try to keep your replies serious. I understand making fun of Ole Miss is popular right now (I'll admit, we deserve it), but this whole situation is completely disgusting and messed up, and makes me sick to even think about.
Anyways, if all of the current stories of Hugh Freeze's behavior that are coming out end up true and were kept a secret from Ole Miss, should Ole Miss be held accountable for that?
Now if Ole Miss did know this was going on and still protected CHF I say give us the death penalty no question. I would be completely embarrassed and find it hard to support an institution who would hide something like that.
...But if not, I think these are actions that the University shouldn't be held responsible for. I'd obviously want to save my own team being a homer here, but what do you think. Rationally, this is something that extends Ole Miss right??
I know these are still all rumors at the moment but, it still makes me sick.
And for those unaware of the rumors I'm talking about. To keep it simple, they are that Freeze had various sexual assaults on underage girls at Briarcrest HS (don't know the best way to phrase that, but im sure someone else could clarify)
Anyways, if all of the current stories of Hugh Freeze's behavior that are coming out end up true and were kept a secret from Ole Miss, should Ole Miss be held accountable for that?
Now if Ole Miss did know this was going on and still protected CHF I say give us the death penalty no question. I would be completely embarrassed and find it hard to support an institution who would hide something like that.
...But if not, I think these are actions that the University shouldn't be held responsible for. I'd obviously want to save my own team being a homer here, but what do you think. Rationally, this is something that extends Ole Miss right??
I know these are still all rumors at the moment but, it still makes me sick.
And for those unaware of the rumors I'm talking about. To keep it simple, they are that Freeze had various sexual assaults on underage girls at Briarcrest HS (don't know the best way to phrase that, but im sure someone else could clarify)
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Posted on 7/26/17 at 11:39 am to OldRebYeller
I'm confused did he assault them or was it statutory rape? I mean both are bad but one is 9n a different level imo.
Posted on 7/26/17 at 11:39 am to OldRebYeller
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please try to keep your replies serious
Posted on 7/26/17 at 11:39 am to OldRebYeller
Well no. The University wouldn't be held liable for that unless it were proven that they knew and covered it up.
Ole Miss has a whole frickin heap of other problems though.
Ole Miss has a whole frickin heap of other problems though.
Posted on 7/26/17 at 11:40 am to OldRebYeller
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Anyways, if all of the current stories of Hugh Freeze's behavior that are coming out end up true and were kept a secret from Ole Miss, should Ole Miss be held accountable for that?
If they didn't know/were lied to by anyone associated with Briarcrest about it, then no I don't think OM should be punished for that.
Posted on 7/26/17 at 11:40 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
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I'm confused did he assault them or was it statutory rape? I mean both are bad but one is 9n a different level imo.
based on the allegations floating around (and they've been floating around since he was at Briarcrest), both.
This post was edited on 7/26/17 at 11:41 am
Posted on 7/26/17 at 11:41 am to OldRebYeller
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Anyways, if all of the current stories of Hugh Freeze's behavior that are coming out end up true and were kept a secret from Ole Miss, should Ole Miss be held accountable for that?
Now if Ole Miss did know this was going on and still protected CHF I say give us the death penalty no question. I would be completely embarrassed and find it hard to support an institution who would hide something like that.
If I were an OM fan (and I'm not) who didn't want to see the program further disgraced, I would take some comfort in the thought that actually proving prior knowledge in cases like this is difficult as hell if not nearly impossible
HOWEVER
The conduct of both the OM administration and Freeze himself throughout this has set such new standards for CFB stupidity that I wouldn't rule anything out
This post was edited on 7/26/17 at 11:42 am
Posted on 7/26/17 at 11:41 am to OldRebYeller
I received a text from a source (friend of mine) who told me about Freeze's calls 2 weeks before the story broke. I was hesistant to believe him until it actually happened. Well.....he texted me back again yesterday, and said that sometime this week we could hear about the escorts being for recruits, and in numbers approaching 100...I find it hard to believe, but my friend was spot on 3 weeks ago. I have a hard time believing the Briarcrest story and I think this is what Steve is referring too.
Posted on 7/26/17 at 11:42 am to OldRebYeller
I know I'll be downvoted by the 24/7/365 people here but can someone provide some insight into the "Briarcrest" story?
Posted on 7/26/17 at 11:42 am to OldRebYeller
I don't think they'd be held liable, but it would make them look like the sorry POS's that they are if they knew, and anybody who knew should be shitecanned immediately.
This post was edited on 7/26/17 at 11:43 am
Posted on 7/26/17 at 11:43 am to OldRebYeller
Might point to a lack of due diligence in the hiring of Freeze, not sure. Seems to me, hiring anyone at that level and that compensation would require extreme vetting and investigation of character, etc. But, I'm not sure if that would amount to negligent hiring.
Makes me wonder if anyone from Ark. State will now come out with a story or two. That could muddy the waters.
Makes me wonder if anyone from Ark. State will now come out with a story or two. That could muddy the waters.
Posted on 7/26/17 at 11:43 am to OldRebYeller
I don't think Ole Miss should be held accountable for Hugh Freeze's sexual escapades.
I think Ole Miss should be held accountable for the blatant disregard for NCAA rules, the academic fraud, the assistant athletic director directing players to certain boosters, and the culture of corruption that allows for 20 percent of the sports on campus to be on probation at the same time.
You guys must have gotten an e-mail or something. Between McCready's interview yesterday and the Ole Miss fans talk this morning, the strategy seems to be throw Freeze under the bus and the university plays the part of a victim as well.
As far as Briarcrest goes, that's Briarcrest's problem. If it turns out that he was inappropriate there, they will have to answer to their constituents.
I think Ole Miss should be held accountable for the blatant disregard for NCAA rules, the academic fraud, the assistant athletic director directing players to certain boosters, and the culture of corruption that allows for 20 percent of the sports on campus to be on probation at the same time.
You guys must have gotten an e-mail or something. Between McCready's interview yesterday and the Ole Miss fans talk this morning, the strategy seems to be throw Freeze under the bus and the university plays the part of a victim as well.
As far as Briarcrest goes, that's Briarcrest's problem. If it turns out that he was inappropriate there, they will have to answer to their constituents.
This post was edited on 7/26/17 at 11:45 am
Posted on 7/26/17 at 11:44 am to I-59 Tiger
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I know I'll be downvoted by the 24/7/365 people here but can someone provide some insight into the "Briarcrest" story?
Cliff notes: A former student at Briarcrest made a since deleted FB post about being in a relationship with Freeze while she was a minor and he worked at the school. Lots of smoke about there being more than one girl and that OM may or may not have gotten a heads up about it
As of now, simply allegations and rumors
Posted on 7/26/17 at 11:46 am to EmperorGout
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A former student at Briarcrest made a since deleted FB post about being in a relationship with Freeze while she was a minor and he worked at the school
just curious......about how old would Freeze have been and was he married?
Posted on 7/26/17 at 11:46 am to Wicked Pissah
USA Today is already reaching out to women/girls that may have been involved with Briarcrest "troubles" so I expect this to move quickly.
Posted on 7/26/17 at 11:47 am to anc
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You guys must have gotten an e-mail or something.
I know it seems like that, but this all comes from genuine shock.
Ole Miss cheating was pretty obvious, and I was pretty much just ready to take my
from the NCAA and try to move on But assuming this whole story is true, I feel like there is alot more to our case than just paying players which no one saw coming.
Posted on 7/26/17 at 11:48 am to I-59 Tiger
Basically he was at least very creepy and at worst sexually preyed on young girls during his tenure at Briarcrest High School. There were rumors while he was still there, but doubtful that there is any concrete evidence. It's been pretty much an open secret in the Memphis private school circles since before he ever coached at Ole Miss.
Whether it's true or not, I have no idea. But usually those aren't the types of accusations that come completely out of nowhere and are perpetuated for nearly a decade.
FWIW, Briarcrest is a pretty weird school (it was originally a Southern Baptist school). It is especially religious even compared to the other private schools. The pre-escort Hugh Freeze fits that school to a T. Very in-your-face christian, very much about public perception, very pretentious if you ask me. Tuohy, who is a big OM booster, was very involved there as well. Interestingly enough they were blatantly recruiting kids to play football and basketball there, which is against TSSAA rules but MUS, CBHS, etc. do it too, just more subtly.
Whether it's true or not, I have no idea. But usually those aren't the types of accusations that come completely out of nowhere and are perpetuated for nearly a decade.
FWIW, Briarcrest is a pretty weird school (it was originally a Southern Baptist school). It is especially religious even compared to the other private schools. The pre-escort Hugh Freeze fits that school to a T. Very in-your-face christian, very much about public perception, very pretentious if you ask me. Tuohy, who is a big OM booster, was very involved there as well. Interestingly enough they were blatantly recruiting kids to play football and basketball there, which is against TSSAA rules but MUS, CBHS, etc. do it too, just more subtly.
This post was edited on 7/26/17 at 11:59 am
Posted on 7/26/17 at 11:50 am to I-59 Tiger
This would have been about 10 years ago. Freeze would have been in his 30s, and yeah, he was married at the time.
Some of the allegations are pretty severe. Like walking up to girls in the hall and grabbing two handfuls of arse. Making girls undress in his office because they were wearing inappropriate shirts, etc
Some of the allegations are pretty severe. Like walking up to girls in the hall and grabbing two handfuls of arse. Making girls undress in his office because they were wearing inappropriate shirts, etc
Posted on 7/26/17 at 11:51 am to UAtide11
I don't think Freeze had sex with students at Briarcrest.
Could I believe he had inappropriate moments? Sure. Walking into the girl's locker room unannounced? Maybe. The making the girl change shirts in office thing happened at my high school on the regular.
It wouldn't happen today, but it sure as hell could have in 1995-2004 with no repercussions.
People are trying to prosecute 1995-2004 Hugh Freeze in the 2017 mindset.
Could I believe he had inappropriate moments? Sure. Walking into the girl's locker room unannounced? Maybe. The making the girl change shirts in office thing happened at my high school on the regular.
It wouldn't happen today, but it sure as hell could have in 1995-2004 with no repercussions.
People are trying to prosecute 1995-2004 Hugh Freeze in the 2017 mindset.
This post was edited on 7/26/17 at 11:54 am
Posted on 7/26/17 at 11:52 am to BoarEd
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Making girls undress in his office because they were wearing inappropriate shirts, etc
Please tell me this is just a bad rumor.That is beyond awful.
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