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Question for LSU Folks: Seriously, Why Orgeron??
Posted on 9/19/17 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 9/19/17 at 1:33 pm
Not trying to troll, just would like to know the legitimate reasons behind his hiring. I didn't pay much attention to the hiring as it played out. So let me put this in the form of a long-answer question, 5-15 complete sentences - your answer need not be persuasive, facts will suffice.
In September, 2016 LSU Head Coach Les Miles was relieved of his coaching duties following a stinging, last second loss to Auburn. Defensive coordinator and former dialect coach for a Shakespearean theatre company , Ed Orgeron was named interim Head Coach; and was subsequently named LSU's full-time Head Coach.
Discuss Orgeron's qualifications and how they led to his hiring. Review any candidates that were considered and interviewed for the position. Who were the key decision makers in the process and what compelled their decision??
Thanks!
Again, no troll - As a longtime Bama fan, I'm no stranger to the agony that accompanies bad coaching hires.
In September, 2016 LSU Head Coach Les Miles was relieved of his coaching duties following a stinging, last second loss to Auburn. Defensive coordinator and former dialect coach for a Shakespearean theatre company , Ed Orgeron was named interim Head Coach; and was subsequently named LSU's full-time Head Coach.
Discuss Orgeron's qualifications and how they led to his hiring. Review any candidates that were considered and interviewed for the position. Who were the key decision makers in the process and what compelled their decision??
Thanks!
Again, no troll - As a longtime Bama fan, I'm no stranger to the agony that accompanies bad coaching hires.
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Posted on 9/19/17 at 1:34 pm to HaveMercy
Posted on 9/19/17 at 1:36 pm to HaveMercy
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just would like to know the legitimate reasons behind his hiring.
I screamed this from the rooftops at the time and all i got back was that the media thought he was colorful/they liked that he gave them access and the coonass portion of the fanbase liked that he talked like them.
Football excuse, errrrr "reasons" were that he had learned a lot from his Ole Miss days (I pointed out that OJ says he's learned a lot at every parole hearing but that doesn't mean i want him running my company or dating my daughter), and that essentially that he would take less money and we could pour that savings into coordinators and he would let them coach. That's right, the argument was that we would pay him to not coach.
In short, nobody knows
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 9/19/17 at 1:36 pm to HaveMercy
Posted on 9/19/17 at 1:39 pm to HaveMercy
They were happy with his personality. His last game will be this weekend, week 4 is magical in LSU land.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 1:40 pm to 1999
The only explanation must be some rich cajun put political pressure on King Alexander or Alleva or both. Otherwise, it makes no sense.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 1:42 pm to HaveMercy
It's the best they could do.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 1:43 pm to hmstiger
alleva is mentally unstable. i am more sure of that now than ever.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 1:44 pm to HaveMercy
Gave FSU over a year to counter
It was known we were going for jimbo November 2016. We pull the trigger we might get him
Held onto Miles due to political pressure due to the buyout and the optics with university going through financial trouble, even though the TAF had plenty of funding.
Fire Miles 4 games into next season, FSU has plenty of time to make the right moves. Had to compete with UT for Herman and decided he wasn't worth jimbo money / orgeron sold alleva
It was known we were going for jimbo November 2016. We pull the trigger we might get him
Held onto Miles due to political pressure due to the buyout and the optics with university going through financial trouble, even though the TAF had plenty of funding.
Fire Miles 4 games into next season, FSU has plenty of time to make the right moves. Had to compete with UT for Herman and decided he wasn't worth jimbo money / orgeron sold alleva
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 9/19/17 at 1:48 pm to HaveMercy
This not the answer, but I'd rather get my butt kicked than losing on the last play because the coach is an idiot. How many times has this scenario happened under Less. I can think of the Tennessee lucky win late. The no TO, time out against Ole Miss. The Auburn debacle last year, and there's many more. And these were top five recruiting classes. Let's see what Moo. St. does the rest of this season before we throw the coach under the bus. If they don't show up against Ga., and have a relapse, we, LSU, suck. At least we have, according to the people who know,have up and coming offensive coordinator and defensive coordinator. And he lets them coach. Gonna take a few years plus a legitimate qb to answer your question. I remember that guy Sabah stumbled his first year at Bama. Does ULM ring a bell.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 1:53 pm to hmstiger
As an outsider, my theory is this: by all accounts, O is one helluva recruiter. Alleva was running out of options. Jimbo had said no this time, Herman was bound for Texas and everyone knew it, and all you had left were mid-majors that would have been a gamble and a big letdown to the LSU faithful like PJ Fleck, Chad Morris, Jeff Brohm and Willie Taggert. All look pretty good right now, but at the time would have been considered a "B" lister and nobody would have been happy. I guess you could have gone the retread route and tried a Tuberville or Strong, but again, a fallback option and not a happy choice. Alleva was feeling the pressure and Ed "recruited" Joe into hiring him. At least he knew the players, he knew the staff, and he knew and loved the people and they loved him. And he did OK down the stretch as interim. Not A+, but a solid B, so running out of options, Joe gave him a chance. At worst he figures O will keep the cupboard stocked with talent for the next guy.
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 9/19/17 at 1:56 pm to phil4bama
Meh, Coach O is a "B lister"
I understand that the "right guy/perfect hire" was not out there
What I don't understand is 2 things:
1. TWELVE MILLION DOLLARS
2. Why not just keep him on board with a 1 year "prover yourself from start to finish for a whole year" type deal
O was gonna turn it down?
Not on your life. That buyout is beyond crazy
I understand that the "right guy/perfect hire" was not out there
What I don't understand is 2 things:
1. TWELVE MILLION DOLLARS
2. Why not just keep him on board with a 1 year "prover yourself from start to finish for a whole year" type deal
O was gonna turn it down?
Not on your life. That buyout is beyond crazy
Posted on 9/19/17 at 2:00 pm to HaveMercy
Honestly it made no sense to me. I wanted him to succeed and make USC look dumb for not giving him the job after his performance as the interim head coach. That all changed after the Florida game last year though. I went to that game and after the performance that was given by the team on the field and the way it ended, I came to the conclusion that it is in LSU's best interest that another coach be given the helm. For some reason they chose to retain Coach O. I have nothing against him, but this school cannot take the chance of hiring someone without a proven pedigree. I wish coach O all the best of luck in his future endeavors, but we have made yet another mistake with a coaching hire, and how bad this decision impacts us is directly tied to how long it takes us to react and correct this bad decision. The longer we wait, the harder it will become to fix the problem.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 2:15 pm to HaveMercy
LSU hiring Orgeron reminds me of the time Bama hired Dubose.
Dubose played for Alabama under Coach Bryant and was also on the coaching staff a few times.
After Coach Stallings retired, the fans had a write in campaign for the University to hire Mike Dubose.
The Bama AD did hire him, even though he had no big time college experience.
It ended up too much for Dubose and it set Alabama back for years. Bama also went on crippling probation for events that happened under Dubose's watch.
Dubose played for Alabama under Coach Bryant and was also on the coaching staff a few times.
After Coach Stallings retired, the fans had a write in campaign for the University to hire Mike Dubose.
The Bama AD did hire him, even though he had no big time college experience.
It ended up too much for Dubose and it set Alabama back for years. Bama also went on crippling probation for events that happened under Dubose's watch.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 2:15 pm to jnethe1
$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Posted on 9/19/17 at 2:16 pm to HaveMercy
I have no answer for you
Posted on 9/19/17 at 2:18 pm to HaveMercy
DO you idiots think the fricking fans hired the man? No. We had nothing to do with it and are trying to make the best of it.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 2:21 pm to HaveMercy
I can't speak for all LSU fans, but probably 85% of the people I know didn't want to hire Coach O. The university president fricked up the Jimbo hire with his doom and gloom pressers about how the university was broke, then Alleva (AD) decided to only target Tom Herman as the next coach. When that fell through, he made a lazy hire in basically promoting coach O. This falls squarely on the University president and the AD. Alleva has been a cancer to athletics and is somehow still the AD.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 2:26 pm to VernonPLSUfan
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Sabah stumbled his first year at Bama. Does ULM ring a bell.
so he was with UA for a couple of years and helped with recruiting and still stumbled at ULM?
Didn't know that.
OH and... Sabah
Man, you're a genius. You come up with that yourself?
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