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Question for LSU fans (and others) re: last kickoff
Posted on 11/9/15 at 7:18 pm
Posted on 11/9/15 at 7:18 pm
Bama's last possession had me scratching my head from an LSU perspective. With only one timeout Les could not call a TO. That said, down by only 14 with 9:18 left, why not onside kick then? Really looking for knowledgeable football answers as it would have been a conundrum for me. Certainly pin them deep and play field position was considered but in hindsight it seems, and proved to be, too risky.
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Posted on 11/9/15 at 7:20 pm to nc14
Who usually can milk the last 9 minutes of a game?
That was unexpected.
That was unexpected.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 7:23 pm to East Coast Band
Needed two scores though. I'm with you, thus the conundrum, but from the recliner it seems like submission. Only looking for conversation.
Please pitch in voter, your opinion would be valued. The most effective offensive move is to get the opponent's D on their heels. Bama D never returned to the field.
Please pitch in voter, your opinion would be valued. The most effective offensive move is to get the opponent's D on their heels. Bama D never returned to the field.
This post was edited on 11/9/15 at 7:27 pm
Posted on 11/9/15 at 7:26 pm to East Coast Band
I get the absurdity of milking the clock that long, but everyone knew going into the season LSU had a thin front 7.
Kiffin simply came into the game with a gameplan to control the clock, and by the end we'd be gassed. It's disappointing Coach Miles didn't see that our defense was running on E and helped them out. I thought Kevin Steele and his crew called a nice game with what we have, but by mid third our front 7 simply can't be on the field that long.
Congratulations, by the way. Long story short I strongly dislike Cameron and Peveto, on top of the fact I think our sophomore laden offense just wasn't ready for that stage and atmosphere. That was my fifth trip to BDS, and it was the first time I walked out being VERY impressed with how loud it was.
Kiffin simply came into the game with a gameplan to control the clock, and by the end we'd be gassed. It's disappointing Coach Miles didn't see that our defense was running on E and helped them out. I thought Kevin Steele and his crew called a nice game with what we have, but by mid third our front 7 simply can't be on the field that long.
Congratulations, by the way. Long story short I strongly dislike Cameron and Peveto, on top of the fact I think our sophomore laden offense just wasn't ready for that stage and atmosphere. That was my fifth trip to BDS, and it was the first time I walked out being VERY impressed with how loud it was.
This post was edited on 11/9/15 at 7:28 pm
Posted on 11/9/15 at 7:27 pm to nc14
Probably was thinking we can hold them to a 3 and out which would burn 3 minutes. LSU can get the ball back with 6+ to go. Maybe quick score and then onside kick.
But like previous poster noted, never expected a 9 minute drive
But like previous poster noted, never expected a 9 minute drive
Posted on 11/9/15 at 7:28 pm to nc14
We stop them ---> we score ---> we recover an onside kick ---> we're in a position to have the last possession of regulation down by 7 with around two minutes left. I'm sure that was the thought process but Bama was the better team and it didn't work out like that. If you can't understand that thought process with 9 minutes left then I'm not sure what to tell you
Posted on 11/9/15 at 7:28 pm to nc14
When Bama got the ball back, especially on the 5 yard line, I was hoping for at least 1 first down and maybe 3 minutes burned.
If this occurred, LSU gets the ball back round their own 40 at the worst with 6 minutes.
Plenty of time.
If this occurred, LSU gets the ball back round their own 40 at the worst with 6 minutes.
Plenty of time.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 7:29 pm to nc14
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Certainly pin them deep and play field position was considered but in hindsight it seems, and proved to be, too risky.
How is kicking it deep and playing field position too risky? Too risky relative to an onside kick? If that's what you're comparing it to, imo onside kick recovery percentages aren't great enough to warrant that call at that point in the game when you KNOW the offense's upcoming objective. But that's my opinion on whether percentages are high enough, which will obviously differ from person to person.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 7:29 pm to tigerbait2010
In all honesty, it was the only time Saturday that doubt crept in for me. I thought about it at time of KO but did not really have think about the decision until I realized that Miles couldn't stop the clock.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 7:31 pm to East Coast Band
When Alabama took over on its own 5 I thought 3 and out we can get the ball around the 40 and can come up with a quick score and it is a new game. Based on previous 51 minutes the etoh obviously screwed with my mind lol
Posted on 11/9/15 at 7:33 pm to nc14
Knowing the execution of LSU's special teams this season, our onside kick would have flown over your upper deck. I knew going in we'd have our lumps, but I didn't expect the protection to be so bad I was fearing for Guice's life.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 7:34 pm to LC412000
Good answer but LSU had not been able to stop Henry, 9 minutes was not expected by anyone but it was certainly high 5 chance that clock was immediate issue two scores down.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 7:36 pm to LC412000
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screwed with my mind
Me too, I was right there with you. Confidence suddenly melted when LF scored.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 7:40 pm to nc14
quote:Seriously? You kick it deep, the other team gets it around the 20 generally, and they can get move the ball 30, 35 yds and you can still force a punt (no points given up). 9 minutes is a LOT of time, so you figure you get the ball back with maybe 5 and a half left if you give up 1 first down. You then have to pass downfield to score, the one thing LSU was able to do (and that wouldn't take a lot of time).
down by only 14 with 9:18 left, why not onside kick then?
Onside kick risks giving Bama the ball around the 50 or inside. Needs just about 10-15 yds to score if they take another long FG, or punt to pin you inside the 20 (probably around the 10). In that case, if you don't recover the onside kick, game is basically done then and there.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 7:40 pm to nc14
L5U get it right.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 7:45 pm to Scoob
Good answer. The Mo was in LSU's favor and the only intent was for conversation as opposed to questioning Miles and the staff. LSU D was gassed, that's why I posed the question.
The Mo was in LSU's favor and the only intent was for conversation as opposed to questioning Miles and the staff. LSU D was gassed, that's why I posed the question.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 8:09 pm to nc14
I'm thinking it had to do with the fact that we just had a scoring drive, and although it wasn't much of a "drive", it was the longest our defense had been off the field for a while when you throw in TV timeouts on the change of possession and after the score. I could see both sides of it. We were very close to getting the ball back around mid field after a punt, but alas...another third and long converted. The D was just gassed. But in hindsight, onside kick would have been the best option. 20/20 and shite, you know?
Posted on 11/9/15 at 8:11 pm to Fratigerguy
Yep, been there.Posted on 11/9/15 at 8:16 pm to nc14
I'd love to see a different angle of that kickoff landing. I thought it hit the sideline.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 8:19 pm to nc14
Kicking off and hoping Alabama turns it over deep in their own territory again was probably more likely to happen than LSU recovering an onside kick AND driving it the length of the field against a defense that had shut them down for 3.5 quarters.
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