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Question for LSU Fans - RE: Chavis's Defense
Posted on 7/4/14 at 7:36 am
Posted on 7/4/14 at 7:36 am
LSU fans, I have to say I am amazed by LSU's defense. Not just because it beats A&M, but because LSU seems to have the only defense in the country (well them and maybe Stanford) that can consistently stop modern offenses.
Other praised great defense minds of the last five years- Nick Saban, Gary Patterson, Will Muschamp, etc. - have not had success stopping these offenses. Only LSU has, thanks to that Chavis D. And we are watching these offenses spread through college football thanks to that success.
My question is:
How does he do it and (more important part) can his success be copied in your opinion? Is it a system that anyone can run given the players, or is it his gameday or week-to-week coaching that makes a difference?
The reason why I ask is because a new set of regional coaches have hung their fortunes on stopping modern offenses (Bret, Charlie, etc.) and I am wondering if they have any chance of copying the only defense in football that has done the job.
Thank you in advance for any responses.
:inb4LSUbeatsA&Matsomething: - this thread isn't an US vs YOU
Other praised great defense minds of the last five years- Nick Saban, Gary Patterson, Will Muschamp, etc. - have not had success stopping these offenses. Only LSU has, thanks to that Chavis D. And we are watching these offenses spread through college football thanks to that success.
My question is:
How does he do it and (more important part) can his success be copied in your opinion? Is it a system that anyone can run given the players, or is it his gameday or week-to-week coaching that makes a difference?
The reason why I ask is because a new set of regional coaches have hung their fortunes on stopping modern offenses (Bret, Charlie, etc.) and I am wondering if they have any chance of copying the only defense in football that has done the job.
Thank you in advance for any responses.
:inb4LSUbeatsA&Matsomething: - this thread isn't an US vs YOU
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Posted on 7/4/14 at 7:42 am to cardboardboxer
Chavis recruits for speed, not size. He rotates frequently. LSU pre-season training in August stresses conditioning and stamina.
CJC's philosophy is built around having shut-down CB's first and foremost. Having those opens up the playbook everywhere else.
CJC's philosophy is built around having shut-down CB's first and foremost. Having those opens up the playbook everywhere else.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 7:45 am to cardboardboxer
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this thread isn't an US vs YOU
Well since you put it that way.....frick LSU
Posted on 7/4/14 at 7:45 am to cardboardboxer
LINK
This guy had a good article on it.
This guy had a good article on it.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 7:46 am to TigersOfGeauxld
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CJC's philosophy is built around having shut-down CB's first and foremost. Having those opens up the playbook everywhere else.
Certainly trusting guys who cover so well is a big factor.
Not to hijack, Chavis was pretty helpful in consulting with Pat Narduzzi when he visited LSU (both run pretty similar concepts on D, especially relying on solid CBs).
This post was edited on 7/4/14 at 7:47 am
Posted on 7/4/14 at 8:00 am to TigersOfGeauxld
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Chavis recruits for speed, not size. He rotates frequently. LSU pre-season training in August stresses conditioning and stamina.
That makes sense, and is why he can keep up with HUNH teams. Hope no one copies that.
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CJC's philosophy is built around having shut-down CB's first and foremost. Having those opens up the playbook everywhere else.
That is encouraging news. One question:
What level of CB is needed?
Is every CB LSU runs out there top 150 players that only the top fifteen programs in the country have a shot at?
Or has Chavis developed lower recruits like three stars into being CB monsters?
Thank you in advance.
This post was edited on 7/4/14 at 8:01 am
Posted on 7/4/14 at 8:13 am to cardboardboxer
The secondary coaches, both Corey Raymond and Ron Cooper, are some of the best at identifying and developing talent. Moe Claiborne was a 3 star athlete, who developed into one the best corners in the league. Now you need stars obviously. Both Patrick Peterson and Eric Reid were high profile recruits coming out, as was current starter Tre'Davious White. But Raymond does a great job at developing the mid star guys into great talents. It's a mixture of finding and developing talent as well as having star power.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 8:16 am to cardboardboxer
Claiborne and Mathieu weren't top 150 players.
He has a model that works. Outside in. Cornerbacks have to be able to be good enough to shadow and stop the first and second reads as best as possible.
Then he has to have DEs that can contain. The defense is on another level if the DTs can penetrate. They couldn't last year.
The safety position is full of athletes that could play CB
He has a model that works. Outside in. Cornerbacks have to be able to be good enough to shadow and stop the first and second reads as best as possible.
Then he has to have DEs that can contain. The defense is on another level if the DTs can penetrate. They couldn't last year.
The safety position is full of athletes that could play CB
Posted on 7/4/14 at 8:18 am to RDRGeaux09
Thank you for the explanation. One last question:
I know CBs are important, but to stop a spread offense you basically need LBs that can cover WRs. Is LSU recruiting smaller but quicker LBs as well, or is there some coverage trick in Chavis's system?
Thank you for all the great responses, this is the most helpful SECR thread I have ever been a part of.
I know CBs are important, but to stop a spread offense you basically need LBs that can cover WRs. Is LSU recruiting smaller but quicker LBs as well, or is there some coverage trick in Chavis's system?
Thank you for all the great responses, this is the most helpful SECR thread I have ever been a part of.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 8:21 am to VermilionTiger
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Claiborne and Mathieu weren't top 150 players.
Didn't realize that, pretty impressive how it turned out.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 8:25 am to cardboardboxer
We aren't fortunate enough (well, excluding last year with Clifton Garrett and Keiyon Joyner in '16) to be in it for elite LBs.. So we don't nitpick as much.
This years linebackers will be the best we've bad in a very long time, definitely under Chavis.
This years linebackers will be the best we've bad in a very long time, definitely under Chavis.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 8:34 am to cardboardboxer
He definitely recruits smaller outside linebackers to cover, Kwon Alexander, Debo Jones, Duke Reilly are all around the 200-220 lbs range. They are built for sideline to sideline speed and coverage on shifty smaller running backs.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 8:38 am to cardboardboxer
I, too, am consistently impressed with Chavis's defense. It's a blast to watch.
But, I don't get why he can't figure out the Hugh Freeze/Sunshine combo. I'm glad he can't, and I pray it stays that way, but it's baffling.
But, I don't get why he can't figure out the Hugh Freeze/Sunshine combo. I'm glad he can't, and I pray it stays that way, but it's baffling.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 8:47 am to Wanderin Reb
Last year was Chavis' worst defense he's had at LSU.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 8:50 am to cardboardboxer
I really think the gameplan that they had practiced all offseason leading up to Oregon (2011) stuck with Chavis.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 9:43 am to Samso
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Last year was Chavis' worst defense he's had at LSU.
Yup, too many holes to fill, and it didn't help that our DT's under-performed.
The good news, at least for LSU fans, is that this year's defense will be one of Chavis' best.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 10:03 am to cardboardboxer
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How does he do it
System is built on speed and getting multiple tacklers to the ball carrier. The basic goals are (a) take away the outside with elite corners, (b) if possible put pressure on the QB, and then (C) get hats to the ball with speed.
Chavis' D has proven vulnerable to a powerful inside run game when he doesn't have elite DTs like Michael Brockers. When he has got the inside AND the outside locked down, the other team is in trouble, for the most part (ala 2011).
Posted on 7/4/14 at 10:11 am to Samso
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Last year was Chavis' worst defense he's had at LSU.
Well, most inexperienced.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 10:12 am to shutterspeed
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Well, most inexperienced.
Worst run defense at LSU in the last 10 years.
Posted on 7/4/14 at 10:50 am to VermilionTiger
Speed and versality. A bunch of hybrid guys on the field.
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