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Question for Bama football fans and Kentucky basketball fans
Posted on 6/19/15 at 11:08 am
Posted on 6/19/15 at 11:08 am
If your previous coach had won a national title over 6 years ago, would you have kept him or would you still have pursued Saban and Calipari? Just asking because some don't feel Maneri should be on the hot seat after his run since 2010. 2 CWS appearances and 1-4 record there. Let alone collapses at home against Houston and Stony Brook.
I will admit a championship should provide some protection of keeping your job but not after 5 years. Vandy, USCe and Florida have all passed LSU since 2010.
TIA
I will admit a championship should provide some protection of keeping your job but not after 5 years. Vandy, USCe and Florida have all passed LSU since 2010.
TIA
Posted on 6/19/15 at 11:13 am to Weaver
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If your previous coach had won a national title over 6 years ago, would you have kept him or would you still have pursued Saban and Calipari?
UK went through that with Tubby and Joe B. In both cases they need the interim coach to make the next hire. You need Sutton to get Little Ricky and Billy Clyde to get Cal.
Posted on 6/19/15 at 11:14 am to GeorgeReymond
I guess you disagree.
Posted on 6/19/15 at 11:17 am to Weaver
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If your previous coach had won a national title over 6 years ago, would you have kept him or would you still have pursued Saban and Calipari?
Well it would depend on what they did in 6 years since a title. Let's take Saban's predecessor - Mike Shula. He only coached 4 years:
2003 4-9
2004 6-6
2005 10-2
2006 6-7
Let's assume for the sake of your argument that he coached 6 years winning an NC his first year and we will give him his average 6-6 type year his second year, consistent with the rest of his tenure at Bama.
So you have:
2001 National championship
2002 6-6
2003 4-9
2004 6-6
2005 10-2
2006 6-7
Saban is available? Yes, I still think Alabama is going to fire Shula and hire Saban despite the NC 6 years prior.
However, that is not really what has happened with LSU. They have had much more success post national title under Maneri than Alabama had under Shula (in this hypothetical world you are having us contemplate). I don't think there is any way he should be fired.
LSU under Maneri would have been more like the equivalent of Shula winning the title and then winning and average of 10 games a year after that and alternating from middle of the road bowl games and BCS bowl games every year. He wouldn't be fired for that.
This post was edited on 6/19/15 at 11:24 am
Posted on 6/19/15 at 11:17 am to Weaver
quote:You spoiled rotten brats - Maneri's seat should be cool as a damn cucumber. Be thankful for what you've got and grateful for the championship season.
If your previous coach had won a national title over 6 years ago, would you have kept him or would you still have pursued Saban and Calipari? Just asking because some don't feel Maneri should be on the hot seat after his run since 2010. 2 CWS appearances and 1-4 record there. Let alone collapses at home against Houston and Stony Brook. I will admit a championship should provide some protection of keeping your job but not after 5 years. Vandy, USCe and Florida have all passed LSU since 2010. TIA
Posted on 6/19/15 at 11:19 am to Weaver
Billy G was 40-27 in his two seasons at UK, and was an awful representative for the school. Winning does trump everything, but I don't see him having lasted much longer than he did. Awful fit, and the AD should have been fired for not vetting him better.
Posted on 6/19/15 at 11:26 am to Weaver
And LSU fans say that Bama fans are entitled and such. This is pitiful and come on, it's just baseball.
Posted on 6/19/15 at 11:28 am to RT1941
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You spoiled rotten brats - Maneri's seat should be cool as a damn cucumber. Be thankful for what you've got and grateful for the championship season.
Winning 5 titles in 10 years will do that. I am sure Bama fans weren't pissed after the 2013 season and losing to Auburn and then Oklahoma...won 3 out of 4 before that.
Posted on 6/19/15 at 11:54 am to Weaver
It's a tough question. Depends on not national championships but how is the team doing.
Example, if we are making the SEC title game every 4 years and competing for the playoffs ok. If we are winning 8 games but 6 years ago we won a national title no.
Shula, Dubose, etc could have gone 10-2 every year but if we were going to Cotton Bowls it meant we lost games to the wrong teams at the wrong time and they would not be kept.
People don't remember this but Stallings won 70 games in 7 years and when he was "forced" out, and he was, there was no sadness at his "retirement". Yes we were winning 10 games a year but it just wasn't where we needed to be. It seemed ok to him but 10 wins doesnt put you in any scenario to win the National title and I think he thought his 92 title bought him a lifetime contract and it did not. We needed a change. He got very comfortable winning 10 games and we couldn't have that. Saban now, has earned the right to stay as long as he likes. There is not a single scenario that would force Saban out short of a sex scandal or violations. Saban also will not sit on his laurels; ala Gene Stallings.
To answer your real question Les would not still be the coach at Bama.
Example, if we are making the SEC title game every 4 years and competing for the playoffs ok. If we are winning 8 games but 6 years ago we won a national title no.
Shula, Dubose, etc could have gone 10-2 every year but if we were going to Cotton Bowls it meant we lost games to the wrong teams at the wrong time and they would not be kept.
People don't remember this but Stallings won 70 games in 7 years and when he was "forced" out, and he was, there was no sadness at his "retirement". Yes we were winning 10 games a year but it just wasn't where we needed to be. It seemed ok to him but 10 wins doesnt put you in any scenario to win the National title and I think he thought his 92 title bought him a lifetime contract and it did not. We needed a change. He got very comfortable winning 10 games and we couldn't have that. Saban now, has earned the right to stay as long as he likes. There is not a single scenario that would force Saban out short of a sex scandal or violations. Saban also will not sit on his laurels; ala Gene Stallings.
To answer your real question Les would not still be the coach at Bama.
Posted on 6/19/15 at 12:53 pm to CrimsonChin
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it's just baseball.
College football and basketball are semi-pro sports where athletes are paid money.. Does not compare to a true amateur sport like college baseball.
Posted on 6/19/15 at 1:09 pm to kywildcatfanone
Yet, Mitch was just named AD of the year. Mitch has done a great job at UK.
Posted on 6/19/15 at 1:21 pm to Weaver
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If your previous coach had won a national title over 6 years ago, would you have kept him or would you still have pursued Saban and Calipari?
We waited 10 for Tubby.
Posted on 6/19/15 at 1:25 pm to WildcatMike
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Yet, Mitch was just named AD of the year. Mitch has done a great job at UK.
Not arguing that he has done good things, but he has botches big hires. Billy G was rediculous, and the whole Morris/Brooks/Joker debacle was like watching a slow motion balloon burst.
Has he elevated the olympic sports? Was the Stoops hire a good one, yes. Facilities upgrades are needed and good to see. Still should have been fired after the Gillespie debacle. Luckily the Cal hire was out of his hands.
Posted on 6/19/15 at 1:32 pm to Weaver
Billy Clyde natty is an oxymoron. Never would have happened so the point is moot.
Posted on 6/19/15 at 1:43 pm to Kentucker
Cal hire was not out of his hands. Also, Foley and Jurich had made bad hires as well. Come on man, Mitch has done wonders since the frick ups prior. Folks get pissed off because he kicked out the good ol boys out.
Posted on 6/19/15 at 1:45 pm to kywildcatfanone
So Rich Brooks was a bad hire? We were on probation.
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Posted on 6/19/15 at 2:11 pm to Kentucker
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Billy Clyde natty is an oxymoron. Never would have happened so the point is moot.
You are missing the bigger picture, you need to have the guy you can fire just so you can hire the next guy.. Look at UK viewed through Indian deities.
Rupp = Brahma (creator)
Hall = Vishnu (preserver)
Sutton = Shiva (destroyer)
Little Ricky = Brahma (creator)
Tubby = Vishnu (preserver)
Billy Clyde = Shiva (destroyer)
Cal = Brahma (creator)
?? = Vishnu (preserver)
You could also look to the sciences and the lifespan of matter (as it can neither be created or destroyed) is must go through conversion over time.
Growth
Stabilization
Decay
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