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Posted on 6/22/16 at 6:52 am
Posted by TailbackU
ATL
Member since Oct 2005
11066 posts
Posted on 6/22/16 at 6:52 am
I feel like I hear, read, and see 10x more news on A&M than U of Texas and I feel like I used to see the Horns in the press quite a bit (I live in Atlanta). Has the overall level of press coverage and interest for all things A&M been greater in the Texas media because of the move to the SEC or is that just my perception?
Posted by ags01
Member since Mar 2006
3885 posts
Posted on 6/22/16 at 7:35 am to
The perfect storm of the move to the SEC, Johnny Football, and tu being down vaulted A&M into the national consciousness more than ever.
Posted by Old Sarge
Dean of Admissions, LSU
Member since Jan 2012
55190 posts
Posted on 6/22/16 at 7:36 am to
The emperor still gets lots of press despite no longer having any clothes on
Posted by AggieMan2005
Texas
Member since Jun 2016
149 posts
Posted on 6/22/16 at 7:38 am to
It is only downhill for the Whorns at this point
Posted by Old Sarge
Dean of Admissions, LSU
Member since Jan 2012
55190 posts
Posted on 6/22/16 at 7:41 am to
I agree but there are far too many tsip journalism grads in the media here in texas for them to not continue to get positive spin and lots of press
Posted by AggieMan2005
Texas
Member since Jun 2016
149 posts
Posted on 6/22/16 at 7:44 am to
They can have the Metroplex and San Antonio
Houston is now a SEC city
Houston produces better players IMO
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
34330 posts
Posted on 6/22/16 at 7:45 am to
quote:

Has the overall level of press coverage and interest for all things A&M been greater in the Texas media because of the move to the SEC o


The national media for sure is giving A&M more press than ever, but actually within the state a lot of the local media organizations try to pretend that A&M and the SEC in general doesn't exist.

You see, Texas graduates more journalism graduates than anyone in Texas while we graduate none. Those Texas graduates naturally get jobs at local papers, and then when they are "in charge" of that paper's sport section they make sure the focus stays on Texas or the Big 12. There is one paper in Dallas for example that only wants to report bad news on us, but is happy to give Texas a positive fluff piece if it can. We don't care that much because once again we get attention from the national media.

Actually when we left for the SEC that was the big threat- "when you leave all our journalism graduates will pretend you don't even matter in Texas anymore, just like we did to Arkansas in the 1990s." Their expectation was that we would be more marginalized than we ever were in the Big 12 without that local paper support.

What people didn't expect was the national media filling the gap, and the fact that the Big 12 is such a joke conference nationally that on the national scene it's the exact opposite of what happens in Dallas- the only Big 12 stories a CBS wants to run are negative. So it all balances out.
This post was edited on 6/22/16 at 7:47 am
Posted by Farmer1906
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Apr 2009
50127 posts
Posted on 6/22/16 at 8:20 am to
1. You probably pay more attention to A&M now then before since we're in the same conference.

2. We are getting more national coverage as mentioned in the posts above.

3. WTF is there to report about at tu? They expect another near .500 year. They're recruiting is no where near Mack Brown levels. They have no major talent on the team at the skill positions. They don't have any big name NFL prospects. They're expected to be middle of the pack in basketball again, but with the star power.
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29177 posts
Posted on 6/22/16 at 8:39 am to
quote:

They can have the Metroplex and San Antonio
Houston is now a SEC city
Houston produces better players IMO


Why would we concede the Metroplex to them? Von Miller would tell you that's stupid thinking.
Posted by Ag Zwin
Member since Mar 2016
19900 posts
Posted on 6/22/16 at 8:57 am to
quote:

The national media for sure is giving A&M more press than ever, but actually within the state a lot of the local media organizations try to pretend that A&M and the SEC in general doesn't exist.


Pretty much this. The move drove a big wedge between the fan bases, and that includes peripheral followers or anyone with an allegiance to another SEC or BDF school.

I actually have degrees from both schools, but am very much an Aggie that got an MBA in Austin. At one time, I was able to support Texas as long as they were not playing A&M, but the DeLoss Dodds scorched earth strategy completely ruined that. Trying to save face by claiming that TCU is an upgrade from A&M, that our recruiting would only be helped in a small sliver of East Texas, and that playing an OOC rivalry game is just an impossible feat (never mind all the years of the OU game) was just so much hubris that stuff like the LHN was a relatively minor issue to me. (Especially now that it is viewed as an albatross.)

So, if someone who has a degree from that place can cut the ties as emphatically as I have, imagine the feeling among people with no such ambivalence. Now, juxtapose that onto a state media dominated by Texas grads (since A&M has had only a token journalism presence for most of its history), and you can see why the coverage INSIDE the state is still pretty slanted and delusional. Outside the state (like where I live now in Minnesota), the shift since the move is noticeable. Granted, I probably look for A&M stories and ignore Texas stories, but all I have to say is "A&M" when people ask where I went to school. That was not always the case, and it often required the "Texas" part.

It's kind of like why I read The Economist and BBC. I find that an outside perspective gives a better view than locals, and, in this case, A&M definitely gets more attention than we used to. Texas is still Texas, and will always get its share of ink. A&M in the SEC, though, is a game changer.
This post was edited on 6/22/16 at 12:16 pm
Posted by agswin
The Republic of Texas
Member since Aug 2011
4337 posts
Posted on 6/22/16 at 8:59 am to
There is probably increased coverage in the Southeast because we are members of the SEC.

Houston is the fairest. They cover A&M pretty fairly and have a lot of LSU.

Unfortunately in the DFW media, it is all tu all the time. When it is not tu it is OU. Almost no SEC coverage.

The Fort Worth media understandably has some TCU coverage but it is overshadowed by tu.

San Antonio due to the proximity to Austin has more tu coverage but is better than DFW.

Austin obviously covers the Horns pretty well but occasionally does some A&M stuff. They have a reporter assigned to cover A&M but she does a poor job.

A&M shut down their journalism department years ago. They have re-opened it recently but it is very small.

DFW is the worst. They never have been strong on A&M but the media is still ticked off that we went to SEC. There is always huge coverage of the tu-OU game. Coverage for the A&M-Arkansas game at the Jerrydome is 50-50. The game is better for Arkansas than A&M.

I predict it will return to a home and home when the 10 year contract is over. It was only done to get Arkansas to approve moving their Piggie/LSU game for A&M to play LSU in the final game of the year.

Arkansas needs it more for recruiting Texas players.

Jerry will throw a lot of money at us to keep it in Arlington but IMHO is will revert back to a home and home.
Posted by AggieMan2005
Texas
Member since Jun 2016
149 posts
Posted on 6/22/16 at 9:19 am to
If A&M can recruit the top players in Louisiana, East Texas and Houston then they should compete for the SEC Chsmpionship every year.
Posted by Ag Zwin
Member since Mar 2016
19900 posts
Posted on 6/22/16 at 9:22 am to
So, who do we think is carpet-bombing the downvotes? Lester? texashorn? Some other "non-obsessed" tu lurker that saw "Aggie fan" in the thread title (on an SEC board) and went glassy-eyed with rage?
Posted by cjohn
Georgia
Member since Aug 2014
837 posts
Posted on 6/22/16 at 9:37 am to

Pretty much everyone has nailed it for OP.

The media in the state of Texas is heavily slanted for the Horns for all the reasons listed above regarding the journalism issue.

In the past, Texas was able to basically control A&M's exposure, and to a large extent, its perception through the media. The national media basically cut and pasted what was from the Texas media into the national stories.

With the move to the SEC, there are different journalists that have an interest, so what you are seeing is the real reason why A&M wanted out of Texas's shadow. Exposure. Specifically, exposure that isn't tainted. The SEC delivers that for A&M.

When the move was announced the stream of negative stories in the Texas media was borderline insane. so many articles about how A&M would not be able to recruit in Texas and we wouldn't be playing games in the state anymore. Ah, and my favorite, the Baylor story where A&Ms move to the SEC would have a negative economic impact of like eleventy billion dollars. After a while, it was pure comedy. The good news is, living outside of Texas (in Georgia), the local media here basically ignored all of that.
Posted by arrakis
Member since Nov 2008
21168 posts
Posted on 6/22/16 at 10:28 am to
....the Aggies merely take their usual underachievement to a new level in another conference. So what?
"Just watch us now"....fades as the season (pick the sport) progresses.
Posted by LSU GrandDad
houston, texas
Member since Jun 2009
21564 posts
Posted on 6/22/16 at 10:54 am to
quote:

in the Texas media


no such thing. there is no unified coverage; it's a huge state with 3 of the nations largest cities within it's borders. but the move to the SEC and JFF has caused a little more pub to go the aggie dirction. but the crisis with coach mac, their AD and Strongs hiring got plenty of press across the state.
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
34330 posts
Posted on 6/22/16 at 10:59 am to
quote:

In the past, Texas was able to basically control A&M's exposure


I wouldn't go that far, it wasn't some sort of planned conspiracy. It was just the natural consequence of their liberal arts focus and strong journalism school compared to A&M being a bunch of farmers and engineers.

I think a big thing many SEC people can't understand is that the Big 12 doesn't have and never had "Big 12 Media" like the SEC does. The SEC has people that focus on the entire league, and the entire league is somewhat seen as a solid audience. The Big 12 only has state based media, which due to the footprint means that Texas media is the defacto Big 12 media.
This post was edited on 6/22/16 at 11:00 am
Posted by sjmabry
Texas
Member since Aug 2013
18494 posts
Posted on 6/22/16 at 11:31 am to
quote:

Houston is now a SEC city Houston produces better players IMO
For LSU
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29177 posts
Posted on 6/22/16 at 1:59 pm to
quote:

If A&M can recruit the top players in Louisiana, East Texas and Houston then they should compete for the SEC Chsmpionship every year.


So like... A&M is in Texas, and so is DFW, and a TON of talent comes out of DFW. We have historically pulled far more talent out of there than we ever will Louisiana. See. This is a microcosm of the Houston envy of Dallas. No DFW Aggie would ever want to eliminate Houston from A&M, but Houstonites are so jealous of Dallas, they really think we provide no value. It's insane.
Posted by AggieMan2005
Texas
Member since Jun 2016
149 posts
Posted on 6/22/16 at 2:54 pm to
When you tell someone from Dallas that Houston is a better city in most cases the person from the Dallas will be upset

On the other hand if you tell someone from Houston that Dallas is better they could not care any less.

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