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Power 5 Bowl Games Comparison

Posted on 8/15/15 at 2:27 pm
Posted by SoCalHog
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Posted on 8/15/15 at 2:27 pm
Pioneer started another thread asking if SEC was still the best conference. My response was if you compare the matchups in the bowl games, we still are despite not having the best record. Here's a breakdown of each conferences bowl games.

The first column is that teams rank within their conference (based on their conference record, and overall record as a tie-breaker). The second column is obviously whether they won or lost, 3rd column is their opponents ranking within their conference, 4th is what conference the opponent is in, and 5th is points won or lost for that game. Basically if you win a game against a lower ranked opponent or lose to a higher ranked opponent, you don't get any points. If you win against a higher ranked opponent, you get as many points as the difference in your ranking (i.e. a 12 over a 5 gets 7 points). If it's a non-power 5 opponent, the points are doubled or halved depending on if you won or lost (a loss to a non power 5 is double negative points, a win is half positive points).

Sorry for the long post, but it's something I used to do every year and the SEC always comes out on top. In this case, the SEC would get 15 points, Pac 12 5, Big 10 1, ACC -6, and Big 12 -12 (they suck).


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Posted by cbi8
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Posted on 8/15/15 at 3:19 pm to
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Posted by Killean
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Posted on 8/15/15 at 3:29 pm to
Under your formula, Arkansas by itself was better than all the other conferences.
Posted by Buckeye06
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Posted on 8/15/15 at 3:31 pm to
Not to get too far into this but almost all the points for the SEC are derived from 2 games between evenly ranked teams. Iowa/tn and arky/ut were somewhat equal teams and that is where 12 of the total SEC points are from. Also not sure if Wvu And Maryland were in those slots respectively for the Big 10 and big 12

It's a honest try though which is appreciated. I don't buy the Pac 12 strength bc it seems they didn't beat anyone as I had assumed

Edit: did you only count Oregon and OSU having 1 bowl game? Not sure I disagree but an additional layer included w the playoff now
This post was edited on 8/15/15 at 3:36 pm
Posted by VagueMessage
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Posted on 8/15/15 at 3:44 pm to
Pac-12 was 6-3, counting both of Oregon's games. They had the best Bowl showing, but in the SEC's defense, we sent four more teams to a Bowl than they did. We sent more teams to Bowls than the Big 12 has teams in their conference.

I gave the nod to the Pac 12 since they made it to the NC game and had a good Bowl winning %, but the fact that the SEC sent a record-breaking 12 teams is another testament to the conference's strength.
Posted by cbi8
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Posted on 8/15/15 at 3:44 pm to
2010 really did a number on you, Mrpigg
Posted by SoCalHog
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Posted on 8/15/15 at 4:11 pm to
quote:

Not to get too far into this but almost all the points for the SEC are derived from 2 games between evenly ranked teams. Iowa/tn and arky/ut were somewhat equal teams and that is where 12 of the total SEC points are from. Also not sure if Wvu And Maryland were in those slots respectively for the Big 10 and big 12

It's a honest try though which is appreciated. I don't buy the Pac 12 strength bc it seems they didn't beat anyone as I had assumed

Edit: did you only count Oregon and OSU having 1 bowl game? Not sure I disagree but an additional layer included w the playoff now



That's kind of my point though. Yes, Iowa/TN and Arky/UT were somewhat equal, but that proves the strength of the SEC. The 10th best SEC team is "equal" (even though they won) to the 6th best Big 10 team. The 12th best SEC team is "equal" to the 5th best Big 12 team (even though they won). Obviously these are just two examples, but I did this for years and the result was always the same. Whether the SEC gets the title or not, it's teams 2-12 that set us apart from the other conferences.

And yes, you are correct on the Oregon/OSU deal. Wasn't sure how to factor that in.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
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Posted on 8/15/15 at 4:54 pm to
So Arkansas beating Texas is worth seven points? No, because everyone beat Texas, including BYU by about 80 touchdowns.
Posted by Patton
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Posted on 8/15/15 at 4:54 pm to
80 touchdowns is a lot.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
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Posted on 8/15/15 at 4:57 pm to
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80 touchdowns is a lot.


I know, and to BYU no less.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
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Posted on 8/15/15 at 5:00 pm to
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SEC sent a record-breaking 12 teams is another testament to the conference's strength.


Let's not get carried away. I wouldn't call a 6-6 season a "strength". That's not really a difficult task when 3-4 of those games are FCS or slightly better and a few others are Kentucky or Vandy.

Plus, 6-7 UCLA happened.
Posted by VagueMessage
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Posted on 8/15/15 at 5:44 pm to
quote:

Let's not get carried away. I wouldn't call a 6-6 season a "strength". That's not really a difficult task when 3-4 of those games are FCS or slightly better and a few others are Kentucky or Vandy.

Plus, 6-7 UCLA happened.


I disagree. If 6-6 is no big deal, why are the we only conference that sent 12 teams? And playing FCS teams is a pretty standard practice, as well as playing crappy G5 teams. No team in the conference played more than one FCS team, and I think all of them scheduled a P5 program except maybe one or two teams. And every conference has their Kentucky/Vanderbilt to prey on. Kentucky, our next-to-worst member, still went 5-7 and narrowly missed being #13 to go a Bowl, by the way.

Take away the three teams that went 6-6, and that's still 9 teams to a Bowl. It's also worth noting that all three of the 6-6 teams won their Bowl.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
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Posted on 8/15/15 at 6:13 pm to
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I disagree. If 6-6 is no big deal, why are the we only conference that sent 12 teams?


The ACC and Big Ten sent 11 and 10 teams, respectively. I'm still not impressed by that. Bowl games are great for the players and fans, but sending a handful of barely deserving teams to bowl games doesn't mean much.
Posted by kilo
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Posted on 8/15/15 at 7:08 pm to
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That's not really a difficult task when 3-4 of those games are FCS or slightly better and a few others are Kentucky or Vandy.


Is an OSU fan really smacking other schedules?

Posted by SoCalHog
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Posted on 8/15/15 at 7:26 pm to
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So Arkansas beating Texas is worth seven points? No, because everyone beat Texas, including BYU by about 80 touchdowns.


I think you're having trouble today. Regardless of how good they are, they were good enough to finish fifth in a power 5 conference. That's what this whole spreadsheet is about. It's comparing conferences. Even if you take all 7 points away, the sec is still on top regardless of whether or not the best sec team was the best team in the country. But you can't do that anyway because the game happened.

The main point is you can't just look at the bowl record to compare conferences. A 2nd best team in one conference beating a 5th best team in another conference is not the same as a 5th best team beating a 2nd.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
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Posted on 8/15/15 at 7:34 pm to
Does college football's version of the Buffalo Bills think their input matters?
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
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Posted on 8/15/15 at 7:35 pm to
Your methods are garbage. Don't get rustled because someone called you on it.
Posted by kilo
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Posted on 8/15/15 at 8:31 pm to
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Does college football's version of the Buffalo Bills think their input matters?


Feel free to deflect all you wish. You played a garbage schedule last year and this years just might be worse.

So yeah, its hilarious for an OSU fan to talk about "easy" wins on a schedule trying to knock an SEC teams schedule. The worst SOS in the SEC this season is like 20 places higher than the BEST in the B1G going into the season.

Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
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Posted on 8/15/15 at 10:31 pm to
quote:

Feel free to deflect all you wish. You played a garbage schedule last year and this years just might be worse.


Deflect what? I never said anything about Ohio State's schedule, but I'm damn sure not going to be called out by a Missouri fan.

Ohio State's strength of schedule finished ranked second last year. Not that it matters, since that was accomplished on the road to three different championships. Meanwhile, after losing to Indiana, Missouri went on to get curb-stomped twice including yet another SECCG embarrassment. Congrats on another division title I guess, since it appears that's the ceiling for your football program.


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So yeah, its hilarious for an OSU fan to talk about "easy" wins on a schedule trying to knock an SEC teams schedule. The worst SOS in the SEC this season is like 20 places higher than the BEST in the B1G going into the season.


Again, Ohio State finished 2nd in SOS last season, behind Alabama who they beat on the field. They went into last year ranked 38th, were as low as 98th and finished 2nd. I could really care less where anyone is ranked "going into" the season. I'll take the outcome of the season, thanks. I'm sure you remember what that was last year.

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