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Pac12 presidents have sent letters to other P5 presidents supporting big changes
Posted on 5/21/14 at 5:44 am
Posted on 5/21/14 at 5:44 am
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Pac-12 university presidents have sent a letter to their colleagues at the other four major football conferences calling for sweeping changes to the NCAA model and autonomy for those leagues.
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The full list of proposals included in the letter are:
— Permit institutions to make scholarship awards up to the full cost of attendance.
— Provide reasonable ongoing medical or insurance assistance for student-athletes who suffer an incapacitating injury in competition or practice. Continue efforts to reduce the incidence of disabling injury.
— Guarantee scholarships for enough time to complete a bachelor's degree, provided that the student remains in good academic standing.
— Decrease the demands placed on the athlete in-season, correspondingly increase the time available for studies and campus life, by preventing the abuse of organized "voluntary" practices to circumvent the limit of 20 hours per week and more realistically assess the time away from campus and other commitments during the season.
— Similarly decrease time demands out of season by reducing out-of-season competition and practices, and by considering shorter seasons in specific sports.
— Further strengthen the Academic Progress Rate requirements for postseason play.
— Address the "one and done" phenomenon in men's basketball. If the NBA and its Players Association are unable to agree to raising the age limit for players, consider restoring the freshman ineligibility rule in men's basketball.
— Provide student-athletes a meaningful role in governance at the conference and NCAA levels.
— Adjust existing restrictions so that student-athletes preparing for the next stage of their careers are not unnecessarily deprived of the advice and counsel of agents and other competent professionals, but without professionalizing intercollegiate athletics.
— Liberalize the current rules limiting the ability of student-athletes to transfer between institutions.
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This post was edited on 5/21/14 at 5:47 am
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Posted on 5/21/14 at 5:54 am to Guess
Love to see the one and done go away. At this point we just get to watch Kansas, Duke, and Kentucky recycle 5 star recruits who play 1 year and leave. Need to be able to spread the wealth of players around the league.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 5:54 am to Guess
No thanks P12
Posted on 5/21/14 at 5:58 am to Guess
I don't see a problem with any of those but, wouldn't it then be prudent in doing away with basket weaving majors, special tutor assigned treatments and making sure student athletes were real college material first?
I wonder how these players would react if they had to go through the same bullshite as the rest of us without all the perks they get now.
I wonder how these players would react if they had to go through the same bullshite as the rest of us without all the perks they get now.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 6:01 am to Guess
quote:Even without current trends, this must be done. With current trends (proposed rule changes year over year and the soon-to-fail unionize thing at NW) it is inevitable.
— Permit institutions to make scholarship awards up to the full cost of attendance.
quote:This one is important. For us in the SEC (or for any conference AND university) this directly affects perception out there that players are "used" by the University, it directly affects future litigation/liability, and I personally think it's the right thing to do. I know for some players it happens anyway, but make it official.
— Provide reasonable ongoing medical or insurance assistance for student-athletes who suffer an incapacitating injury in competition or practice. Continue efforts to reduce the incidence of disabling injury.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 6:01 am to BarberitosDawg
Very few people would be able to handle an actual full college course load plus playing Division I sport a major premier program, without some sort of help from tutors
Posted on 5/21/14 at 6:17 am to Guess
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— Decrease the demands placed on the athlete in-season, correspondingly increase the time available for studies and campus life, by preventing the abuse of organized "voluntary" practices to circumvent the limit of 20 hours per week and more realistically assess the time away from campus and other commitments during the season.
— Similarly decrease time demands out of season by reducing out-of-season competition and practices, and by considering shorter seasons in specific sports.
No thank you.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 6:17 am to Guess
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— Address the "one and done" phenomenon in men's basketball. If the NBA and its Players Association are unable to agree to raising the age limit for players, consider restoring the freshman ineligibility rule in men's basketball.
This is the one that really stood out to me. Europe would become a huge option if kids basically had to just sit a year before the draft, and if I'm running a European organization I'm signing multi year deals with buyouts so if they one and done me, they played for me for free anyway.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 6:17 am to BarberitosDawg
The great majority of these players don't belong at a major university, and they couldn't make it without basket weaving majors and a lot of help from tutors. Anybody who believes otherwise is just kidding themselves.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 6:52 am to Guess
About what you'd expect from the academic community...a few good ideas and a bunch of bad ones.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 6:55 am to auburnphan23
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The great majority of these players don't belong at a major university, and they couldn't make it without basket weaving majors and a lot of help from tutors. Anybody who believes otherwise is just kidding themselves.
Hell, some of them couldn't shouldn't be in college period. But yeah, I agree with you
Posted on 5/21/14 at 8:13 am to TheCheshireHog
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— Decrease the demands placed on the athlete in-season, correspondingly increase the time available for studies and campus life, by preventing the abuse of organized "voluntary" practices to circumvent the limit of 20 hours per week and more realistically assess the time away from campus and other commitments during the season.
— Similarly decrease time demands out of season by reducing out-of-season competition and practices, and by considering shorter seasons in specific sports.
These two are the only ones that don't make sense.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 8:17 am to JustGetItRight
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These two are the only ones that don't make sense.
They make perfect sense if you want to return some meaning to the term "student-athlete".
If all you want are a bunch of semi-pros then no, they don't make sense.
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Posted on 5/21/14 at 8:18 am to Guess
I agree with all of the changes you quoted. IMO those are reasonable and I think they promote the student-athlete ideal. I think these are good changes for the overwhelming majority of student-athletes.
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Posted on 5/21/14 at 8:23 am to Guess
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— Permit institutions to make scholarship awards up to the full cost of attendance.
— Provide reasonable ongoing medical or insurance assistance for student-athletes who suffer an incapacitating injury in competition or practice. Continue efforts to reduce the incidence of disabling injury.
— Guarantee scholarships for enough time to complete a bachelor's degree, provided that the student remains in good academic standing.
Didnt they just agree to this? or am I mixing it up with something else?
Posted on 5/21/14 at 8:26 am to TheCheshireHog
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— Decrease the demands placed on the athlete in-season, correspondingly increase the time available for studies and campus life, by preventing the abuse of organized "voluntary" practices to circumvent the limit of 20 hours per week and more realistically assess the time away from campus and other commitments during the season.
— Similarly decrease time demands out of season by reducing out-of-season competition and practices, and by considering shorter seasons in specific sports.
Translated:
Time to watch the crime rate in the SEC go up.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 8:33 am to Hog on the Hill
Your the only hog on your hill !
Posted on 5/21/14 at 9:00 am to Guess
— Permit institutions to make scholarship awards up to the full cost of attendance.
Good idea.
— Provide reasonable ongoing medical or insurance assistance for student-athletes who suffer an incapacitating injury in competition or practice. Continue efforts to reduce the incidence of disabling injury.
Good idea.
— Guarantee scholarships for enough time to complete a bachelor's degree, provided that the student remains in good academic standing.
As long as they lose access to the tutors etc afforded to the active team, then sure. 90% of them will flunk out anyway if that happens. What the heck does this mean for scholarship limits then? Lot of un-intended consequences with this one.
— Decrease the demands placed on the athlete in-season, correspondingly increase the time available for studies and campus life, by preventing the abuse of organized "voluntary" practices to circumvent the limit of 20 hours per week and more realistically assess the time away from campus and other commitments during the season.
Bad idea and dumb.
— Similarly decrease time demands out of season by reducing out-of-season competition and practices, and by considering shorter seasons in specific sports.
Bad idea and really dumb.
— Further strengthen the Academic Progress Rate requirements for postseason play.
Bad idea and really dumb. You think athletes get their grades handed to them now? This will only make it worse.
— Address the "one and done" phenomenon in men's basketball. If the NBA and its Players Association are unable to agree to raising the age limit for players, consider restoring the freshman ineligibility rule in men's basketball.
Don't care, but why not?
— Provide student-athletes a meaningful role in governance at the conference and NCAA levels.
Good idea.
— Adjust existing restrictions so that student-athletes preparing for the next stage of their careers are not unnecessarily deprived of the advice and counsel of agents and other competent professionals, but without professionalizing intercollegiate athletics.
Good idea
— Liberalize the current rules limiting the ability of student-athletes to transfer between institutions.
A LOT of unintended consequences with this as well. Likely to make football even MORE cyclic and spread the wealth of talent much wider. Suddenly UAB, Tulane, FAU, UT, Rutgers etc can compete with the big boys a lot easier because the 5* that realized he wasn't going to start at bama or UF transfers immediately to a 'have-not'.
Good idea.
— Provide reasonable ongoing medical or insurance assistance for student-athletes who suffer an incapacitating injury in competition or practice. Continue efforts to reduce the incidence of disabling injury.
Good idea.
— Guarantee scholarships for enough time to complete a bachelor's degree, provided that the student remains in good academic standing.
As long as they lose access to the tutors etc afforded to the active team, then sure. 90% of them will flunk out anyway if that happens. What the heck does this mean for scholarship limits then? Lot of un-intended consequences with this one.
— Decrease the demands placed on the athlete in-season, correspondingly increase the time available for studies and campus life, by preventing the abuse of organized "voluntary" practices to circumvent the limit of 20 hours per week and more realistically assess the time away from campus and other commitments during the season.
Bad idea and dumb.
— Similarly decrease time demands out of season by reducing out-of-season competition and practices, and by considering shorter seasons in specific sports.
Bad idea and really dumb.
— Further strengthen the Academic Progress Rate requirements for postseason play.
Bad idea and really dumb. You think athletes get their grades handed to them now? This will only make it worse.
— Address the "one and done" phenomenon in men's basketball. If the NBA and its Players Association are unable to agree to raising the age limit for players, consider restoring the freshman ineligibility rule in men's basketball.
Don't care, but why not?
— Provide student-athletes a meaningful role in governance at the conference and NCAA levels.
Good idea.
— Adjust existing restrictions so that student-athletes preparing for the next stage of their careers are not unnecessarily deprived of the advice and counsel of agents and other competent professionals, but without professionalizing intercollegiate athletics.
Good idea
— Liberalize the current rules limiting the ability of student-athletes to transfer between institutions.
A LOT of unintended consequences with this as well. Likely to make football even MORE cyclic and spread the wealth of talent much wider. Suddenly UAB, Tulane, FAU, UT, Rutgers etc can compete with the big boys a lot easier because the 5* that realized he wasn't going to start at bama or UF transfers immediately to a 'have-not'.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 9:02 am to Guess
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— Guarantee scholarships for enough time to complete a bachelor's degree, provided that the student remains in good academic standing.
No
Posted on 5/21/14 at 9:17 am to TheCheshireHog
That rule is important so that student athletes can't hit the 40 hours a week needed for judges and unions to interfere.
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