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re: Overall pecking order of SEC football programs
Posted on 8/25/16 at 11:22 am to NYCAuburn
Posted on 8/25/16 at 11:22 am to NYCAuburn
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UF has 2 NC's in the last 10, yet is ranked behind UT? What exactly has UT done in the last ten years except lose?
This post was edited on 8/25 at 11:15 a
Because I felt like messing with the OP
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Posted on 8/25/16 at 11:45 am to rantfan
1. Alabama
2. Florida
3. LSU
4. Auburn
5. Georgia
6. Arkansas
7. South Carolina
8. Tennessee
9. Mississippi
10. Missouri
11. Miss State
12. Texas A&M
13. Kentucky
14. Vanderbilt
2. Florida
3. LSU
4. Auburn
5. Georgia
6. Arkansas
7. South Carolina
8. Tennessee
9. Mississippi
10. Missouri
11. Miss State
12. Texas A&M
13. Kentucky
14. Vanderbilt
Posted on 8/25/16 at 11:50 am to bigDgator
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Am I a homer for putting UF #2?
yes, yes you are you, you homer you. also, I would not put aggy in front of Tennessee or auburn.
Posted on 8/25/16 at 11:52 am to bigDgator
1)Bama
2)LSU
3) UF
4)Georgia
5)Auburn
6)Tennessee
7)A&M
8)Ark
9)SoCar
10)OM
11)Mizz
12)MSU
13)UK
14)Van
2)LSU
3) UF
4)Georgia
5)Auburn
6)Tennessee
7)A&M
8)Ark
9)SoCar
10)OM
11)Mizz
12)MSU
13)UK
14)Van
Posted on 8/25/16 at 12:04 pm to bigDgator
The target of this exercise is all over the map. What is the true point?
So are we talking history? If so that's fairly easy to get a decent list together.
1) AL
2) TN
3) LSU
4) UGA, AU, UF
7) A&M, ARK
9) OM
10) MIZ
11) SC, MSU
13) UK
14) VANDY
Oh. So just over the past decade? If that's the case then Tennessee sure as heck isn't Top 6... let alone Top 10.
Auburn would certainly be ahead of Texas A&M and probably Georgia as well considering their two National Title appearances. South Carolina would not only be ahead of Arkansas, but also Tennessee and Texas A&M. The list would then look more like this:
1) AL
2) UF, LSU
4) AU
5) UGA
6) SC
7) MIZ
8) A&M
9) ARK
10) OM
11) MSU
12) TN
13) VANDY
14) UK
Okay, well this totally changes things. You could make a pretty strong argument that Florida and maybe even Texas A&M should both be ahead of Alabama... simply from a population and alumni standpoint.
1) UF
2) AL
3) A&M
4) UGA
5) LSU
6) AU
7) TN
8) SC
9) MIZ
10) UK
11) ARK
12) OM
13) MSU
14) VANDY
Well that's tough. It's unlikely any major conference would split up the sports and only take football, etc. Kentucky has a lot of value due to its basketball program. In fact, their football program on its own would be no different that Louisville, but the value of their basketball program adds value to the football program as well.
Too many conflicting angles with this list. Pick one direction and go from there.
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Overall pecking order of SEC football programs
So are we talking history? If so that's fairly easy to get a decent list together.
1) AL
2) TN
3) LSU
4) UGA, AU, UF
7) A&M, ARK
9) OM
10) MIZ
11) SC, MSU
13) UK
14) VANDY
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Over the last decade Bama has firmly entrenched themselves as the top dog in the SEC.
Oh. So just over the past decade? If that's the case then Tennessee sure as heck isn't Top 6... let alone Top 10.
Auburn would certainly be ahead of Texas A&M and probably Georgia as well considering their two National Title appearances. South Carolina would not only be ahead of Arkansas, but also Tennessee and Texas A&M. The list would then look more like this:
1) AL
2) UF, LSU
4) AU
5) UGA
6) SC
7) MIZ
8) A&M
9) ARK
10) OM
11) MSU
12) TN
13) VANDY
14) UK
quote:
Basically talking about the strength of the program if someone were starting a new conference and schools could be drafted.
Okay, well this totally changes things. You could make a pretty strong argument that Florida and maybe even Texas A&M should both be ahead of Alabama... simply from a population and alumni standpoint.
1) UF
2) AL
3) A&M
4) UGA
5) LSU
6) AU
7) TN
8) SC
9) MIZ
10) UK
11) ARK
12) OM
13) MSU
14) VANDY
quote:
Speaking about football only.
Well that's tough. It's unlikely any major conference would split up the sports and only take football, etc. Kentucky has a lot of value due to its basketball program. In fact, their football program on its own would be no different that Louisville, but the value of their basketball program adds value to the football program as well.
Too many conflicting angles with this list. Pick one direction and go from there.
Posted on 8/25/16 at 12:26 pm to BHMKyle
Good analysis. I was speaking of the pecking order if you were starting a new conference and were able to draft each school. So potential is probably more important than history, but sometimes the two go hand in hand. Also, when you have a storied history it normally strengthens the program going forward.
And being financially sound is also pretty important. It is a hypothetical without including all sports and academics, so humor me.
And being financially sound is also pretty important. It is a hypothetical without including all sports and academics, so humor me.
This post was edited on 8/25/16 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 8/25/16 at 12:29 pm to bigDgator
1)Bama
2)UF
3)LSU
4)Georgia
6)Tennessee
7)Auburn
5)A&M
8)Ark
9)SoCar
10)OM
11)Mizz
12)MSU
13)UK
14)Van
2)UF
3)LSU
4)Georgia
6)Tennessee
7)Auburn
5)A&M
8)Ark
9)SoCar
10)OM
11)Mizz
12)MSU
13)UK
14)Van
Posted on 8/25/16 at 12:38 pm to bigDgator
5 out of last 6
lsu > gators
lsu > gators
Posted on 8/25/16 at 12:47 pm to bigDgator
Over the last decade:
1) Bama
2) LSU
3) Auburn
4) UF
5) Georgia
6) A&M
7) Arky
8) SCar
9) OM
10) Tenn
11) Mizzou
12) MSU
13) UK
14) Vandy
1) Bama
2) LSU
3) Auburn
4) UF
5) Georgia
6) A&M
7) Arky
8) SCar
9) OM
10) Tenn
11) Mizzou
12) MSU
13) UK
14) Vandy
Posted on 8/25/16 at 12:48 pm to bigDgator
Really can only go four years on miz and atm. mizzou had one good year, one solid year, and two crap years so that puts us in the middle, above OM, Arky, SC, TN, and aTm. Although we had the same pattern in the B12 with tow top 10 years and two crap years. The middle is bunched pretty tight though
1)Bama
2)UF
3)LSU
4)Georgia
5)Auburn
6)Mizzou
7)SC
8)Ark
9)A&M
10)OM
11)Tennessee
12)MSU
13)UK
14)Van
1)Bama
2)UF
3)LSU
4)Georgia
5)Auburn
6)Mizzou
7)SC
8)Ark
9)A&M
10)OM
11)Tennessee
12)MSU
13)UK
14)Van
Posted on 8/25/16 at 1:12 pm to MIZ_COU
Each program has it's strengths and weaknesses. There is a lot of good arguments to move the majority of the teams up or down.
Posted on 8/25/16 at 1:21 pm to bigDgator
Exactly. Even you see Tennessee is a great brand that is known coast to coast.
Posted on 8/25/16 at 1:44 pm to safetyman
This is my list from 2000 onward (I don't care what happened previously).
1) Bammer*
2) LSU
3) UF
4) AU
5) THUGA
6) UT**
7) USCe
8) Arky
9) MSU
10) Ole Siss
11) Mizzou***
12) A&M****
13) UK
14) Vandy
* Pay to play is rampant, so take their #1 with a large pinch of salt.
** They could probably be lower since they haven't done jack since 2000. But they are still UT and you can't spell Citrus without them.
*** Mizzou went to the SEC championship game pretty early after they entered the conference. In reality they probably deserve to be above MSU, Ole Miss and Arky. However, since they are newcomers, I will put them at 11th.
**** aTm as a program deserves to be higher, but like Mizzou, they are too new to the conference and haven't done anything other than recruit Manziel.
1) Bammer*
2) LSU
3) UF
4) AU
5) THUGA
6) UT**
7) USCe
8) Arky
9) MSU
10) Ole Siss
11) Mizzou***
12) A&M****
13) UK
14) Vandy
* Pay to play is rampant, so take their #1 with a large pinch of salt.
** They could probably be lower since they haven't done jack since 2000. But they are still UT and you can't spell Citrus without them.
*** Mizzou went to the SEC championship game pretty early after they entered the conference. In reality they probably deserve to be above MSU, Ole Miss and Arky. However, since they are newcomers, I will put them at 11th.
**** aTm as a program deserves to be higher, but like Mizzou, they are too new to the conference and haven't done anything other than recruit Manziel.
Posted on 8/25/16 at 2:29 pm to AUstar
Last 10 years:
10 points for National Champ
7 points for SEC Champ
5 points for SEC Runner Up
3 points for bowl game
Reverse points for division order (1st = 7, 2nd = 6 etc.)
1. Alabama - 156
2. Florida - 123.5
3. LSU - 102
4. Georgia - 91
5. Auburn - 83
6. South Carolina 69.5
7. Tennessee - 57.5
8. Arkansas - 56
9. MSU and Ole Miss - 48.5
11. Kentucky - 36.5
12. Vanderbilt - 34.5
No real fair way to figure in Missouri and A&M other than averages which would put Missouri at 4 and A&M at 8. Other than Missouri being an outlier from winning the East 2 of their 4 years it doesn't look that far off.
10 points for National Champ
7 points for SEC Champ
5 points for SEC Runner Up
3 points for bowl game
Reverse points for division order (1st = 7, 2nd = 6 etc.)
1. Alabama - 156
2. Florida - 123.5
3. LSU - 102
4. Georgia - 91
5. Auburn - 83
6. South Carolina 69.5
7. Tennessee - 57.5
8. Arkansas - 56
9. MSU and Ole Miss - 48.5
11. Kentucky - 36.5
12. Vanderbilt - 34.5
No real fair way to figure in Missouri and A&M other than averages which would put Missouri at 4 and A&M at 8. Other than Missouri being an outlier from winning the East 2 of their 4 years it doesn't look that far off.
This post was edited on 8/25/16 at 4:40 pm
Posted on 8/25/16 at 3:03 pm to DayBowBow
quote:
5. Auburn - 83
I believe you mean 94
Posted on 8/25/16 at 4:22 pm to NYCAuburn
Possibly. The 5 points should have actually been for SEC runner-up instead of division champ because I didn't double up on the SEC champs.
Edit: My original ranking stands.
Edit: My original ranking stands.
This post was edited on 8/25/16 at 4:39 pm
Posted on 8/25/16 at 4:38 pm to DayBowBow
quote:
1. Alabama - 156
2. Florida - 123.5
3. LSU - 102
4. Georgia - 91
5. Auburn - 83
6. South Carolina 69.5
Big Six!
Posted on 8/25/16 at 4:40 pm to AUstar
quote:
1) Bammer*
2) LSU
3) UF
4) AU
5) THUGA
6) UT**
7) USCe
Big Seven!
Posted on 8/25/16 at 5:32 pm to bigDgator
Anyone with USCjr in front of Missouri is a damn fool
Posted on 8/25/16 at 6:16 pm to bigDgator
Bama
Tennessee
Florida
LSU
Georgia
Auburn
Arkansas
Ole Miss
Miss St
Mizz
ATM
South Carolina
Kentucky
Vanderbilt
Tennessee
Florida
LSU
Georgia
Auburn
Arkansas
Ole Miss
Miss St
Mizz
ATM
South Carolina
Kentucky
Vanderbilt
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